I think there's a lot right in this thread

by Mike (bart), Monday, December 13, 2010, 09:44 (5617 days ago) @ Greg

One of the best appeals of Meyer was that he seemed to fit the 'ND Messiah Coach' profile so perfectly. Especially given the fact that were were toiling under an "Emperor Has No Clothes" type who had been hailed as just such a prophet earlier in his tenure.

I know I've harped on this before, but ND Football under Ty Willingham was an embarrassment. The way we played was embarrassing. The way our coach dribbled on through vacuous inanities was embarrassing. The way we gave our players a chain to carry out to the field, or had them wear that driving test gadget in the offseason was embarrassing. Even, in a way, our penchant for unexpectedly knocking a big name team off randomly was embarrassing.

When Meyer ditched us it was like that scene in Never Been Kissed when the popular kid asks Drew Barrymore to the prom and then when she goes to get in the limo he pelts her with rotten eggs.

After Weis, we weren't good, but we had problems that were identifiable and realistic . We were a normal bad football team and we didn't get a messiah coach, we got a normal good football coach who seems to be putting us on a normal trajectory towards program improvement. I dig it.

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on a scale of risk, grade these hires (at the time) - Jay, 2010-12-12, 18:08
- interesting exercise. composite ranking: - Jay, 2010-12-13, 09:36
  - nit - disagree on Sarkisian - JD in Portland, 2010-12-13, 19:56
  - awards - Jay, 2010-12-13, 09:39
    - Pete Carroll, winner of the Carr-Fulmer award. - Bryan (IrishCavan), 2010-12-13, 10:37
- Interesting that Alabama's hiring of Saban... - KGB, 2010-12-13, 09:10
- My attempt - Domer99, 2010-12-13, 06:52
  - I guess I don't see how Meyer rates higher than Kelly. - KGB, 2010-12-13, 08:01
    - A couple of thoughts - Domer99, 2010-12-13, 09:10
      - I think the perception of Kelly was similar a year ago. - KGB, 2010-12-13, 09:17
        
        I don't disagree. - Domer99, 2010-12-13, 09:50
        
        Along these lines... - MattyCinNYC, 2010-12-13, 09:39
        
        I desperately hope that Lane Kiffin turns into a poor man's - Domer99, 2010-12-13, 09:53
        
        I think the perception of Kelly a year ago... - Greg, 2010-12-13, 09:25
        
        I think there's a lot right in this thread - Mike (bart), 2010-12-13, 09:44
  - good read - Jay, 2010-12-13, 07:59
- taking a snab at it - Pat, 2010-12-13, 05:47
- A bit odd that - Pete, 2010-12-13, 03:37
  - Guess we're on the same wavelength. - KGB, 2010-12-13, 09:30
- Here goes nothing. - Pat (Moco), 2010-12-12, 21:45
- okay here goes - JD in Portland, 2010-12-12, 21:08
- The USC hire of Petey . . . - Glass, 2010-12-12, 20:21
- Mine - PMan, 2010-12-12, 20:19
- Hard to do this without hindsight - JRT, 2010-12-12, 19:41
  - I'm curious as to the high marks given to MSU for Dantonio? - hobbs, 2010-12-12, 20:00
    - I'm not sure how to explain his first two seasons - BPH, 2010-12-12, 20:12
    - Above average, or low risk? - JRT, 2010-12-12, 20:08
      - You're right - hobbs, 2010-12-12, 20:27
- mine - HumanRobot, 2010-12-12, 19:34
- Mine - DCT, 2010-12-12, 18:53
- It's tough to eliminate hindsight. - Slainte Joe, 2010-12-12, 18:44
- Mine - Jeff (BGS), 2010-12-12, 18:29
  - You think Meyer in 2004 was a better hire by UF - hobbs, 2010-12-12, 18:37
    - I really wasn't as sold on Saban - Jeff (BGS), 2010-12-12, 19:13
      - You aren't alone - Domer99, 2010-12-13, 06:57
      - If you include the risk of bolting, his risk quadruples. - JRT, 2010-12-12, 19:43
        
        Yes, but I think it was much less risky in that he - tex29, 2010-12-12, 19:46
        
        Not sure I agree - Domer99, 2010-12-13, 07:02
        
        You could be right, but I think Carroll is different. - tex29, 2010-12-13, 07:51
        
        Possibly - Domer99, 2010-12-13, 08:53
      - Fair enough. - hobbs, 2010-12-12, 19:27
- My scale goes to 11 (edited) - BPH, 2010-12-12, 18:27
- Mine - hobbs, 2010-12-12, 18:26
- I had too many threes to make my answers useful. - Kevin, 2010-12-12, 18:22
  - Curious why you think that about Rodriguez - BPH, 2010-12-12, 18:42
    - It's a close call, but Rodriguez had a longer tenure at WVU - Kevin, 2010-12-12, 18:47
      - I thought RR was a desperation hire, moreso that Meyer/Weis - Jeff (BGS), 2010-12-12, 19:18
        
        Agree. - KGB, 2010-12-13, 08:22
        
        It may have been - Domer99, 2010-12-13, 07:15
        
        I don't think Miles shunned them. - Kevin, 2010-12-13, 05:24
        
        Lloyd was smarter than he looked - JN, 2010-12-13, 07:43
        
        Sexist. - JRT, 2010-12-13, 07:52
        
        Is that wisdom or risk? - tex29, 2010-12-12, 19:39
        
        I didn't rank mine on risk - Jeff (BGS), 2010-12-12, 20:58
- risky business - Jay, 2010-12-12, 18:21
- ok... - irishoutsider, 2010-12-12, 18:21
  - you made me go back and bump up Urban - Jay, 2010-12-12, 18:24
    - Now that I'm back to stable internets.... - irishoutsider, 2010-12-13, 07:47
    - Yeah, but as Einstein would say, it's all relative. - tex29, 2010-12-12, 18:27
- Mine (edited) - tex29, 2010-12-12, 18:15

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