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links & such - Jay, 2010-10-14, 17:18

very nice story on Chris Brown - Jay, 2012-05-17, 19:41

has this been posted yet - Jay, 2012-05-17, 12:38
- I'd like to play them in the Rose Bowl. * - Buck Mulligan, 2012-05-17, 13:56
- Read it elsewhere but it's new here. - Chris, 2012-05-17, 12:50
  - I'd take a Wisconsin series in a heartbeat * - Jay, 2012-05-17, 12:57
    - Would you replace UM - JN, 2012-05-17, 13:03
      - I'd replace Michigan with a bucket of shit. * - Pat (Moco), 2012-05-17, 17:25
      - It depends - Greg, 2012-05-17, 14:37
      - Tout de suite * - Dylan, 2012-05-17, 13:25
      - F and Yeah I would - Chris (HCC), 2012-05-17, 13:18
        I love Madison - scriptcomesfirst, 2012-05-17, 17:52
        Dolly, James, or Oscar? * - Jeff (BGS), 2012-05-17, 19:57
      - Let's see, Dave Brandon vs. Barry Alvarez? - Joe (LBbeachrat), 2012-05-17, 13:06
        I might...might..take Hoke over Bielema though. * - Chris, 2012-05-17, 13:06
    - I'd take it in a heartbeat too. * - Chris, 2012-05-17, 13:01
      - x 3 * - Bill, 2012-05-17, 13:09

Orsini!!!!!! - Chris, 2012-05-17, 12:35
- DMN: Clash with SMU's president led to Steve Orsini's firing - hobbs, 2012-05-17, 17:54
  - first I've heard Brown wasn't Orsini's first choice - Jay, 2012-05-17, 18:42
    - He went after Majerus, Monson, and others. * - Silk, 2012-05-17, 20:26
- You guys are misguided - CW (Rakes), 2012-05-17, 16:24
  - I approve this message * - NDTex, 2012-05-17, 16:59
- So, a deficit is a BAD thing? - BillyGoat, 2012-05-17, 14:45
- My guess is that this has something to do with Larry Brown's - hobbs, 2012-05-17, 13:31
  - I suspect it has much more to do with the $120 million loss - Jack, 2012-05-17, 13:36
    - In the main I agree with you - hobbs, 2012-05-17, 14:39
    - Proof positive that Orsini won't take no for an answer! * - Bill, 2012-05-17, 13:51
    - I'd agree with that - Greg, 2012-05-17, 13:44
- Why do I find that so absolutely hilarious? - Bill, 2012-05-17, 13:12
  - I'm right there with you * - Jack, 2012-05-17, 13:13
- Sweet! He's available! * - domer.mq, 2012-05-17, 13:04
- sports makes one visit strange places - HumanRobot, 2012-05-17, 12:54
  - RE: The Ticket - NDTex, 2012-05-17, 13:49
  - I thought there was an article along those lines in the last - BillyGoat, 2012-05-17, 13:19
  - Gotta spend money to make money! * - BPH, 2012-05-17, 13:15
  - How much did they lose under the guy before him? - Jack, 2012-05-17, 13:05
    - quite a bit - HumanRobot, 2012-05-17, 13:30
      - killer quote - HumanRobot, 2012-05-17, 13:50
        Orsini was in way way over his head. - River, 2012-05-17, 14:30
        You only say that because you have... - Greg, 2012-05-17, 14:38
        True, but I have had to deal with.... - River, 2012-05-17, 15:00
    - another PonyFan speculates - HumanRobot, 2012-05-17, 13:18
      - Be honest with me, you just like typing PonyFan, don't you? * - Chris (HCC), 2012-05-17, 13:20
        it's certainly an interesting place to visit - HumanRobot, 2012-05-17, 13:22
- He found the bodies. - Jim (fisherj08), 2012-05-17, 12:52
- So you're saying he's available? * - BPH, 2012-05-17, 12:49
- "change of direction" cited (edit) - HumanRobot, 2012-05-17, 12:46
- oh my - Jay, 2012-05-17, 12:37
  - Turner leaving the presser - Dylan, 2012-05-17, 13:24
  - Larry Brown has his team travel single-file - Greg, 2012-05-17, 13:07

Uh oh. - Slainte Joe, 2012-05-16, 18:45
- Says the guy... - KGB, 2012-05-17, 05:54
  - Of course that is what the ACC will say (edit) - Jeff (BGS), 2012-05-17, 08:53
    - 2001 would have been pretty controversial - CK08, 2012-05-17, 10:02
    - Another summary of the data - Jeff (BGS), 2012-05-17, 09:26
  - The SEC is a cesspool - Chris, 2012-05-17, 06:58
    - That's really not fair - Greg, 2012-05-17, 08:11
- My Compromise Proposal, but I need help from you guys. - Ken Fowler, 2012-05-16, 20:30
  - I sure as hell hope they don't embrace a compromise - Jay, 2012-05-17, 09:37
    - I'm with you - Jeff (BGS), 2012-05-17, 11:27
  - I got a compromise for you - Greg, 2012-05-17, 08:15
    - SEC Still Won't Like it - Dave, 2012-05-17, 09:20
      - This is a compromise - Greg, 2012-05-17, 12:00
      - And in '08 and '06 - Jeff (BGS), 2012-05-17, 11:33
    - That sounds interesting, but not what the conferences are - Ken Fowler, 2012-05-17, 08:33
      - OK. I can play ball with them - Greg, 2012-05-17, 08:58
  - ND could very easily get screwed in that system - CK08, 2012-05-17, 06:18
    - I know, but that's why I called it a compromise proposal - Ken Fowler, 2012-05-17, 08:31
    - Not only could it screw ND, it would create a worse mess - Dylan, 2012-05-17, 07:41
      - It's still better than Delany's proposal - Ken Fowler, 2012-05-17, 08:34
        No doubt about that. Isn't that one DOA? * - Dylan, 2012-05-17, 09:01
        Rumblings suggest that it's not dead yet. * - Ken Fowler, 2012-05-17, 11:26
- DeLoss Dodds weighed in the other day - Jay, 2012-05-16, 19:31
  - This gets my vote * - Bill, 2012-05-16, 19:43
- A self-absorbed ND fan - Pete, 2012-05-16, 18:54
  - So you think you're better than me, huh? - Slainte Joe, 2012-05-16, 19:26
  - Possibly, but I'd treat it more like the Integer's response - Savage, 2012-05-16, 19:16
    - Exactly. - Slainte Joe, 2012-05-16, 19:27
    - That was my first thought, as well. - River, 2012-05-16, 19:19

CW's buyout, Carlo's drunken antics, and a Minor Consumption - KA123, 2012-05-16, 17:21
- Oh, I'm sure - AlDogg, 2012-05-16, 18:47
  - I don't care for that fellow. * - Slainte Joe, 2012-05-16, 19:28

DaVaris Daniels charged with 'minor consumption of alcohol' - Bill, 2012-05-16, 16:15
- It's a rite of passage. The pink ticket of courage. * - Slainte Joe, 2012-05-16, 18:25
  - As a parent, he's followed the advice I've given to my son. - Bill, 2012-05-16, 19:15

Somewhat OT: More concussion research - HullieAndMikes, 2012-05-16, 11:42

Short term gains versus long term goals - Bill, 2012-05-16, 11:22
- what would Kelly have done with Denard Robinson? * - Jay, 2012-05-16, 13:46
  - Robinson actually had a very good QB rating in 2010 - Bill, 2012-05-16, 14:11
  - Beat FSU, USC, and a bunch of other teams - Geoff, 2012-05-16, 14:05
  - Spread 'n' shred, baby * - BPH, 2012-05-16, 13:53
  - Made him a slot receiver? - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2012-05-16, 13:52
    - The evidence is right there in our game - CK08, 2012-05-16, 13:58
  - Something very similar to what Rodriguez did * - CK08, 2012-05-16, 13:46
- the two scenarios are so different as to be laughable - HumanRobot, 2012-05-16, 12:22
  - Hoke inherited nearly every key player... - BPH, 2012-05-16, 13:20
  - There was a Mack Brown/Vince Young-like quality to watching - hobbs, 2012-05-16, 12:46
- The problem is it's not a binary choice - CK08, 2012-05-16, 11:57
  - I can't really blame Kelly - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2012-05-16, 12:10
- I suspect the data would show that adapting is best - Jeff (BGS), 2012-05-16, 11:40
  - Coach Rodriguez at WVU disagrees - Geoff, 2012-05-16, 13:59
    - Not sure what you are saying, that actually supports my post - Jeff (BGS), 2012-05-16, 16:48
      - You suggested data supports coaches adapting - Geoff, 2012-05-17, 07:05
  - In other scenarios, I agree - ndbk32, 2012-05-16, 12:11
    - was Charlie really that scattershot? - HumanRobot, 2012-05-16, 12:15
      - I think it's a bit of - ndbk32, 2012-05-16, 15:37
      - It seemed to me that Charlie would throw plays - Bill, 2012-05-16, 12:18
        that's not fair - HumanRobot, 2012-05-16, 12:23
        
        In the air, or on the ground; jump in the band... - Greg, 2012-05-16, 12:23
  - I've been trying to recall what approach Holtz used - Bill, 2012-05-16, 11:57
    - We were 5-6 because - CK08, 2012-05-16, 13:33
      - I think they lost five games by a total of 14 points - Jeff (BGS), 2012-05-16, 16:51
        Oh, I agree - they were probably better than 5-6 - CK08, 2012-05-17, 06:25
      - Here's the SI article on the 1986 Michigan game - Bill, 2012-05-16, 14:15
    - Holtz adapted - Jeff (BGS), 2012-05-16, 12:25

Headline: Big Ten seeks more excuses for lack of NCs - Jeff (BGS), 2012-05-16, 09:25
- Perhaps you've heard... - BPH, 2012-05-16, 09:56
  - As if on cue, a Wetzel column about this - BPH, 2012-05-16, 10:10
- I've pretty much given up looking for logic - NDTex, 2012-05-16, 09:33

As the QBs-formerly-of-note World Turns ... - Savage, 2012-05-16, 08:30
- At some point there have to be diminishing returns - CK08, 2012-05-16, 08:39
  - I think Pete Rose, Jr., Jr.'s baseball career - Brian, 2012-05-16, 09:18
    - I bet you're right * - NDTex, 2012-05-16, 09:28
  - I'm wondering when Nate will ask himself - NDTex, 2012-05-16, 09:11
  - It is almost as if - Jim (fisherj08), 2012-05-16, 08:47

Rockne breaks out green jerseys for Soldier Field, 1928 - PMan, 2012-05-16, 06:16
- He also uses that wimpy shifting - Greg, 2012-05-16, 08:29
  - To say nothing of those ridiculous neutral site games. * - BillyGoat, 2012-05-16, 09:20
    - Where was Rockne headed on that fateful trip? - FunkDoctorSpock, 2012-05-16, 09:58
  - I approve this message. - KGB, 2012-05-16, 08:49
- silk knickers? - irishoutsider, 2012-05-16, 06:57

Charlie's buyout - Jim (fisherj08), 2012-05-15, 20:26
- Is that $19 million figure - CK08, 2012-05-16, 06:26
  - It looks like he's getting paid through 2015 - Kumar, 2012-05-16, 08:56
  - Right. I thought that it had been reported that there had - BillyGoat, 2012-05-16, 07:55
- Losing is expensive - hobbs, 2012-05-15, 22:31
  - Is that fully on him? - irishoutsider, 2012-05-16, 06:53
    - I believe that Monk should be saddled with the financial - BillyGoat, 2012-05-16, 07:53
- So we're done paying Willingham, I guess. * - LaFortune Teller, 2012-05-15, 20:47
- The gift that keeps on giving - Bill, 2012-05-15, 20:34
  - I reserve most of mine for White. * - KGB, 2012-05-16, 08:52
- Heard he plans on donating to the general scholarship fund. * - River, 2012-05-15, 20:33
  - If he made it an unrestricted gift... - Greg, 2012-05-15, 20:37

OT: Auf Wiedersehen, Timmy Chandler - Slainte Joe, 2012-05-15, 16:46
- Soccer blows - NDTerp, 2012-05-16, 10:48
  - It's all international sports, don't blame soccer - Jack, 2012-05-16, 12:57
    - If you delete, I'll delete - Greg, 2012-05-16, 13:00
      - Yep, just edited my post, realized that. Yer too fast * - Jack, 2012-05-16, 13:01
- I'm glad to see Guch made it. * - Pat (Moco), 2012-05-15, 20:02
- Any back story? - River, 2012-05-15, 17:42
  - Well, he's German. - Slainte Joe, 2012-05-15, 17:51
    - That was my initial thought. - River, 2012-05-15, 18:03
      - OT question about Croatia - ndbk32, 2012-05-15, 21:13
        I am. - River, 2012-05-16, 06:54
        Awesome - ndbk32, 2012-05-16, 10:58
        My bad. - River, 2012-05-16, 17:20
        
        Also Croatian - FunkDoctorSpock, 2012-05-16, 11:19
        I would like to move in, please - ndbk32, 2012-05-16, 11:49

Darius Fleming tore his ACL an 49ers mini-camp - Bill, 2012-05-15, 16:06
- Article said he signed the day before - JN, 2012-05-15, 16:11

Pretty solid takedown of Bissinger's 'ban college football' - Mike (bart), 2012-05-15, 08:27
- Good rebuttals in there - Jeff (BGS), 2012-05-15, 08:54
  - That is a lucid, intelligent, well thought-out objection. * - BillyGoat, 2012-05-16, 08:11

Ty Isaac committed to USC - Jim (fisherj08), 2012-05-15, 07:45
- Isn't he 6'3? - Pat (Moco), 2012-05-15, 13:54
  - Yes. - San Pedro, 2012-05-15, 20:55
  - It's certainly outside the norm - BPH, 2012-05-15, 14:52
  - Same as Eddie George - Dylan, 2012-05-15, 14:52
- Better USC than Michigan. USC always has elite skill guys a - BillyGoat, 2012-05-15, 09:34
- To bad - Bill, 2012-05-15, 08:50
  - Hopefully Mahone can fill that role... - BPH, 2012-05-15, 09:16
  - But Bill... - scriptcomesfirst, 2012-05-15, 08:54
    - So were Jonas and Robert. They eventually got the message. * - Bill, 2012-05-15, 08:58
      - Those guys were also both under 6' tall. - KGB, 2012-05-15, 09:28
      - I would argue that there was too small of a - scriptcomesfirst, 2012-05-15, 09:12
- Doesn't move the needle for me at all - NDTex, 2012-05-15, 08:26
- That just means he's still in-play. - Savage, 2012-05-15, 07:52
  - We're not going to get him - BPH, 2012-05-15, 08:07
    - That makes sense - Greg, 2012-05-15, 08:42
      - Until your last paragraph . . . - Glass, 2012-05-15, 08:54
        I could have gone another way... - Greg, 2012-05-15, 09:00
    - This is not sour grapes, but I think this kid... - scriptcomesfirst, 2012-05-15, 08:11
      - Completely agree. - KGB, 2012-05-15, 09:25
        Green is a better player, and a better fit for our offense - BPH, 2012-05-15, 09:40
      - Marc Tyler-esque? - KA123, 2012-05-15, 08:14
        USC's track record with running backs lately... - FunkDoctorSpock, 2012-05-15, 09:01
        I'm stretching your timeline a little - Chris, 2012-05-15, 09:17
        Oh, and Julius Jones... - FunkDoctorSpock, 2012-05-15, 09:21

Has anyone done a pass distribution study? - Bill, 2012-05-15, 06:08

Playoff discusson on Yahoo Sports radio - DCT, 2012-05-14, 08:52
- FSU memo from the prez - Jay, 2012-05-14, 15:28
  - A surprisingly thoughtful and reasoned statement. - KGB, 2012-05-15, 04:19
    - Yeah. That was excellent. - CK08, 2012-05-15, 06:22
  - Memo from Greg to the Prez - Greg, 2012-05-14, 15:45
- What time were you listening? All shows are archived (link) - Ken Fowler, 2012-05-14, 11:02
  - It was on Sirius..roughly 2PMish---- - DCT, 2012-05-15, 08:27
- Why is FSU's athletic department broke? - CK08, 2012-05-14, 09:06
  - per the Orlando Sentinel - Jay, 2012-05-14, 11:22
  - That's a fantastic question. - Ken Fowler, 2012-05-14, 11:08
    - I'm not a forensic accountant - HumanRobot, 2012-05-14, 11:17
      - Student fees would go into that category - Ken Fowler, 2012-05-14, 11:22

Wetzel on FSU/B12 - Jay, 2012-05-13, 11:17

Sweet baby Jesus is wearing Blue! - River, 2012-05-13, 08:59
- Worth waking up early for - Greg, 2012-05-14, 08:41
- I only watch the US National Team and caught the highlights: - NDTerp, 2012-05-14, 04:12
  - Here's my brother-in-law's take on the Barton red card - MattG, 2012-05-14, 07:36
    - It was neither soft nor dependent on another's reaction. - Trosa, 2012-05-14, 09:33
    - As I've said below. - River, 2012-05-14, 08:04
      - I don't know if it was the best possible result for QPR.... - MattG, 2012-05-14, 09:06
- I'm stunned. - tex29, 2012-05-13, 16:24
  - Really? - Pat (Moco), 2012-05-13, 18:11
    - Don't underestimate the power of pulling a typical City. * - tex29, 2012-05-13, 18:19
      - Ohhh...Like today. - Pat (Moco), 2012-05-13, 19:05
  - Sit back and enjoy! - River, 2012-05-13, 16:52
- Soft red card for Barton. - MattG, 2012-05-13, 11:06
  - Agree because it was relalitory. - River, 2012-05-13, 12:45
    - His post-red card antics were a treat. * - Pat (Moco), 2012-05-13, 16:06
- Hell of a game. - Pat (Moco), 2012-05-13, 09:49

ow my balls (hockey edition) * - NDTerp, 2012-05-12, 19:35

that Gladwell/Bissinger debate was the first - Jay, 2012-05-12, 16:24
- I think the metric for Kelly is annual improvement - Jeff (BGS), 2012-05-13, 06:26
  - "At some point wins matter" but when is that? - Chris (HCC), 2012-05-13, 06:42
    - Wins are data. Not the only data. Not always the best data. - LaFortune Teller, 2012-05-13, 19:10
      - "Clunky" is a great word for it - Jeff (BGS), 2012-05-14, 08:07
        Texas A&M 2011: Discuss. * - Ken Fowler, 2012-05-14, 12:56
        and - Jay, 2012-05-14, 16:12
        But at some point, the pedal has to hit the metal. - Bill, 2012-05-14, 19:26
        Or the petal hit the medal * - Jeff (BGS), 2012-05-15, 06:11
        
        the way I look at it - Jay, 2012-05-14, 19:47
        That's a valid point. - Bill, 2012-05-14, 20:23
        In general, I agree. But... - Greg, 2012-05-15, 11:14
        I was actually talking about sane people. - Bill, 2012-05-15, 11:26
        Ah. Gotcha. - Greg, 2012-05-15, 11:38
        
        I think credibility plays out in recruiting - Jay, 2012-05-15, 10:57
        Chicken and egg question - Jeff (BGS), 2012-05-15, 18:43
        
        Agreed * - Bill, 2012-05-15, 11:26
        
        I think there is another goal than winning the championship - Jeff (BGS), 2012-05-14, 22:35
        That's why I included [and competing for] * - Bill, 2012-05-15, 05:55
    - That's the $64,000 question - Jeff (BGS), 2012-05-13, 10:29
- Brian Kelly is making us more partisan. * - domer.mq, 2012-05-12, 18:21
- Resolved: Kelly is building the foundation for an NC at ND * - Jeff (BGS), 2012-05-12, 17:27
  - Not sure what 'proof' there is to claim there - Bill, 2012-05-12, 18:27
    - cosign * - HumanRobot, 2012-05-13, 08:31
  - good one - Jay, 2012-05-12, 17:37
    - "Notre Dame needs Brian Kelly right now" * - Mike (bart), 2012-05-12, 21:17
    - That one is interesting - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2012-05-12, 18:13
      - I thought of adding the modifier "today" - Jay, 2012-05-12, 18:30
- Intelligence Squared is very fun - NDSF, 2012-05-12, 17:09
  - I can just imagine - bpeters07, 2012-05-13, 05:52
    - You mean "lying, thieving Albanian dwarf" - NDSF, 2012-05-13, 09:06
      - It was "thieving, fanatical Albanian dwarf." - Slainte Joe, 2012-05-13, 21:13
        Fry is no Hitchens - NDSF, 2012-05-13, 21:23
        I did. - Slainte Joe, 2012-05-13, 21:30
  - I put that one on the queue - Jay, 2012-05-12, 17:36
    - The Church gets precisely what it deserves * - NDSF, 2012-05-12, 17:38
      - Fry is certainly charming ... - Slainte Joe, 2012-05-12, 18:35
        watched it last night - Jay, 2012-05-14, 11:34
        Even there, I prefer Hitchens's full frontal ... - Slainte Joe, 2012-05-14, 18:52
        Hitch - NDSF, 2012-05-14, 19:34
        On Maciel ... - Slainte Joe, 2012-05-14, 19:56
        I would enjoy that - NDSF, 2012-05-14, 20:25
        Sounds good. - Slainte Joe, 2012-05-14, 20:59
        
        He was horrid. - Buck Mulligan, 2012-05-12, 19:49
        The experience of debating Hitchens ... - Slainte Joe, 2012-05-13, 05:06

PPT from ND Coaching Clinic (notes) - Mike (bart), 2012-05-12, 12:59
- So point #1a - Jim (fisherj08), 2012-05-12, 14:54
  - "To catch a rapist, one must first become...a rapist." * - Buck Mulligan, 2012-05-12, 20:21
    - That's, "Therapist." * - BillyGoat, 2012-05-12, 22:40
- I am OUTRAGED by the powerpoint design - CK08, 2012-05-12, 13:51
- attendee's notes? * - Jay, 2012-05-12, 13:18
  - Apparently * - Mike (bart), 2012-05-12, 13:35
    - Wait, wait, so then what the hell are Busco, et al - Chris (HCC), 2012-05-12, 17:19
      - It starts with a "D" and ends with a "G" and has... - Greg, 2012-05-12, 18:59
        Dinking? Sounds about their speed. * - KGB, 2012-05-13, 08:23

Forbes: did the ACC get ripped off? - Jay, 2012-05-12, 08:21
- the FSU chair just ripped the ACC a new one - Jay, 2012-05-12, 13:00
  - B12 source - Jay, 2012-05-12, 13:17
    - It fits - Savage, 2012-05-12, 14:03

Scott Martin got his 6th year? - Jim (fisherj08), 2012-05-11, 20:08
- Nice! Makes a lot of sense - CK08, 2012-05-11, 20:45

Now driving the Malik Zaire bandwagon - KA123, 2012-05-11, 17:34
- how tall is he, really? * - Jay, 2012-05-12, 08:08
- I'm no Steve Clarkson but I caught some film of Zaire - hobbs, 2012-05-11, 20:09
  - I like how he holds the ball up by his shoulders during his - BillyGoat, 2012-05-11, 21:10
    - I prefer, and teach, my QB's to hold the ball - scriptcomesfirst, 2012-05-11, 21:41
      - I keep having flashbacks to the Ryan Kerrigan forced - BillyGoat, 2012-05-12, 06:44
  - I'm no Kelly Clarkson, but... - scriptcomesfirst, 2012-05-11, 20:13
    - Mr. Know It All - Pat (Moco), 2012-05-11, 20:44
      - You'll survive, Pat. - Deshi Basara, 2012-05-11, 21:37
        Just walk away. * - BillyGoat, 2012-05-12, 06:46
        Seems to me you don't want to talk about it * - Jeff (BGS), 2012-05-12, 07:57
        My life would suck without you - scriptcomesfirst, 2012-05-12, 09:17
- As a sidenote - Bill, 2012-05-11, 17:52

OT: ND Futbol - Mike (bart), 2012-05-11, 15:36

Sporting News ranks the coaches - BPH, 2012-05-11, 14:16
- Hopefully the players have bought in by now - Geoff, 2012-05-11, 15:14
  - You bring up a good point, the blowouts have stopped - KelleyCook, 2012-05-12, 04:55

Speaking of uniform tweaks - Bill, 2012-05-11, 09:24
- I think they are. - Joe, 2012-05-11, 10:19

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