Now that I'm back to stable internets....
Urban gets a 5 from me, if only for the fact that I spent most of that night completely cracked out on original formula Sparks brand energy malt beverage (key ingredient: vodka packet), convinced myself that I had gone blind, and proceeded to thrash uncontrollably until I was too exhausted to hate.
Its relative, and you asked me to go back to that specific point in time. Urban was considered a no-doubter. Not just by NDs flying circus. The accepted story is that Foley had him in hand mid-season to avoid any offseason shenanigans/seal the deal. There was enough there. He had the pedigree and enough experience in the lower ranks to step up to the power conferences. There were doubts his offense could run in the SEC, but it was widely agreed that any program would be happy to give him the keys.
I put Kelly at a 5 as well, for different reasons. I feel the trajectories are similar, but Brian was considered the best possible, available name out there last winter.
The only clear cut 5 is Saban, and I think that's where you are going with this entire exercise. The universe of no-doubters is extremely limited. It's easier to find the next Tim Tebow, Cam Newton, wonderkind than it is to find a messiah coach, if only because you get to draw from a much larger pool.
Complete thread:
- on a scale of risk, grade these hires (at the time) -
Jay,
2010-12-12, 18:08
- interesting exercise. composite ranking: -
Jay,
2010-12-13, 09:36
- nit - disagree on Sarkisian - JD in Portland, 2010-12-13, 19:56
- awards -
Jay,
2010-12-13, 09:39
- Pete Carroll, winner of the Carr-Fulmer award.
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Bryan (IrishCavan),
2010-12-13, 10:37
- Pete Carroll, winner of the Carr-Fulmer award.
- Interesting that Alabama's hiring of Saban... - KGB, 2010-12-13, 09:10
- My attempt -
Domer99,
2010-12-13, 06:52
- I guess I don't see how Meyer rates higher than Kelly. -
KGB,
2010-12-13, 08:01
- A couple of thoughts -
Domer99,
2010-12-13, 09:10
- I think the perception of Kelly was similar a year ago. -
KGB,
2010-12-13, 09:17
- I don't disagree. - Domer99, 2010-12-13, 09:50
- Along these lines... -
MattyCinNYC,
2010-12-13, 09:39
- I desperately hope that Lane Kiffin turns into a poor man's - Domer99, 2010-12-13, 09:53
- I think the perception of Kelly a year ago... -
Greg,
2010-12-13, 09:25
- I think there's a lot right in this thread - Mike (bart), 2010-12-13, 09:44
- I think the perception of Kelly was similar a year ago. -
KGB,
2010-12-13, 09:17
- A couple of thoughts -
Domer99,
2010-12-13, 09:10
- good read
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Jay,
2010-12-13, 07:59
- I guess I don't see how Meyer rates higher than Kelly. -
KGB,
2010-12-13, 08:01
- taking a snab at it - Pat, 2010-12-13, 05:47
- A bit odd that -
Pete,
2010-12-13, 03:37
- Guess we're on the same wavelength.
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KGB,
2010-12-13, 09:30
- Guess we're on the same wavelength.
- Here goes nothing. - Pat (Moco), 2010-12-12, 21:45
- okay here goes - JD in Portland, 2010-12-12, 21:08
- The USC hire of Petey . . . - Glass, 2010-12-12, 20:21
- Mine - PMan, 2010-12-12, 20:19
- Hard to do this without hindsight -
JRT,
2010-12-12, 19:41
- I'm curious as to the high marks given to MSU for Dantonio? -
hobbs,
2010-12-12, 20:00
- I'm not sure how to explain his first two seasons - BPH, 2010-12-12, 20:12
- Above average, or low risk? -
JRT,
2010-12-12, 20:08
- You're right - hobbs, 2010-12-12, 20:27
- I'm curious as to the high marks given to MSU for Dantonio? -
hobbs,
2010-12-12, 20:00
- mine - HumanRobot, 2010-12-12, 19:34
- Mine - DCT, 2010-12-12, 18:53
- It's tough to eliminate hindsight. - Slainte Joe, 2010-12-12, 18:44
- Mine -
Jeff (BGS),
2010-12-12, 18:29
- You think Meyer in 2004 was a better hire by UF -
hobbs,
2010-12-12, 18:37
- I really wasn't as sold on Saban -
Jeff (BGS),
2010-12-12, 19:13
- You aren't alone - Domer99, 2010-12-13, 06:57
- If you include the risk of bolting, his risk quadruples.
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JRT,
2010-12-12, 19:43
- Yes, but I think it was much less risky in that he -
tex29,
2010-12-12, 19:46
- Not sure I agree -
Domer99,
2010-12-13, 07:02
- You could be right, but I think Carroll is different. -
tex29,
2010-12-13, 07:51
- Possibly - Domer99, 2010-12-13, 08:53
- You could be right, but I think Carroll is different. -
tex29,
2010-12-13, 07:51
- Not sure I agree -
Domer99,
2010-12-13, 07:02
- Yes, but I think it was much less risky in that he -
tex29,
2010-12-12, 19:46
- Fair enough.
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hobbs,
2010-12-12, 19:27
- I really wasn't as sold on Saban -
Jeff (BGS),
2010-12-12, 19:13
- You think Meyer in 2004 was a better hire by UF -
hobbs,
2010-12-12, 18:37
- My scale goes to 11 (edited) - BPH, 2010-12-12, 18:27
- Mine - hobbs, 2010-12-12, 18:26
- I had too many threes to make my answers useful. -
Kevin,
2010-12-12, 18:22
- Curious why you think that about Rodriguez -
BPH,
2010-12-12, 18:42
- It's a close call, but Rodriguez had a longer tenure at WVU -
Kevin,
2010-12-12, 18:47
- I thought RR was a desperation hire, moreso that Meyer/Weis -
Jeff (BGS),
2010-12-12, 19:18
- Agree. - KGB, 2010-12-13, 08:22
- It may have been - Domer99, 2010-12-13, 07:15
- I don't think Miles shunned them. -
Kevin,
2010-12-13, 05:24
- Lloyd was smarter than he looked
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JN,
2010-12-13, 07:43
- Sexist. - JRT, 2010-12-13, 07:52
- Lloyd was smarter than he looked
- Is that wisdom or risk? -
tex29,
2010-12-12, 19:39
- I didn't rank mine on risk - Jeff (BGS), 2010-12-12, 20:58
- I thought RR was a desperation hire, moreso that Meyer/Weis -
Jeff (BGS),
2010-12-12, 19:18
- It's a close call, but Rodriguez had a longer tenure at WVU -
Kevin,
2010-12-12, 18:47
- Curious why you think that about Rodriguez -
BPH,
2010-12-12, 18:42
- risky business - Jay, 2010-12-12, 18:21
- ok... -
irishoutsider,
2010-12-12, 18:21
- you made me go back and bump up Urban -
Jay,
2010-12-12, 18:24
- Now that I'm back to stable internets.... - irishoutsider, 2010-12-13, 07:47
- Yeah, but as Einstein would say, it's all relative. - tex29, 2010-12-12, 18:27
- you made me go back and bump up Urban -
Jay,
2010-12-12, 18:24
- Mine (edited) - tex29, 2010-12-12, 18:15
- interesting exercise. composite ranking: -
Jay,
2010-12-13, 09:36