That's a valid point.
I agree that winning [and I'd add competing for] a national championship is the goal and everything else should be a prelude to winning [or competing for] one. From that perspective, a 10-3 season is not really any better than an 8-5 season as you're neither competing nor in the position to win the title. So we're in agreement there.
But I think the hole in that argument is in terms of establishing program reputation and credibility. 'Rebuilding' is perfectly acceptable on occasion, once your program has reached a peak. Therefore, it was fine for Lou to have rebuilding years post-1988 because we understood where the 'peak' was. We don't have that yet with Kelly, but once we do, I think he would/should be afforded the same rebuilding years that Lou was granted.
Losing games we should have won (USF, Michigan, Florida State) as we did last year, to me, is not 'rebuilding' and are not the type of games that a quality program should be losing. If Kelly can put an end to those types of losses, we'll be in good shape in building towards a national championship. But I don't think continuing with those types of losses can be part of a winning program.
Complete thread:
- that Gladwell/Bissinger debate was the first -
Jay,
2012-05-12, 16:24
- I think the metric for Kelly is annual improvement -
Jeff (BGS),
2012-05-13, 06:26
- "At some point wins matter" but when is that? -
Chris (HCC),
2012-05-13, 06:42
- Wins are data. Not the only data. Not always the best data. -
LaFortune Teller,
2012-05-13, 19:10
- "Clunky" is a great word for it -
Jeff (BGS),
2012-05-14, 08:07
- Texas A&M 2011: Discuss.
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Ken Fowler,
2012-05-14, 12:56
- and -
Jay,
2012-05-14, 16:12
- But at some point, the pedal has to hit the metal. -
Bill,
2012-05-14, 19:26
- Or the petal hit the medal
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Jeff (BGS),
2012-05-15, 06:11
- the way I look at it -
Jay,
2012-05-14, 19:47
- That's a valid point. -
Bill,
2012-05-14, 20:23
- In general, I agree. But... -
Greg,
2012-05-15, 11:14
- I was actually talking about sane people. -
Bill,
2012-05-15, 11:26
- Ah. Gotcha. - Greg, 2012-05-15, 11:38
- I was actually talking about sane people. -
Bill,
2012-05-15, 11:26
- I think credibility plays out in recruiting -
Jay,
2012-05-15, 10:57
- Chicken and egg question - Jeff (BGS), 2012-05-15, 18:43
- Agreed
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Bill,
2012-05-15, 11:26
- I think there is another goal than winning the championship -
Jeff (BGS),
2012-05-14, 22:35
- That's why I included [and competing for]
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Bill,
2012-05-15, 05:55
- That's why I included [and competing for]
- In general, I agree. But... -
Greg,
2012-05-15, 11:14
- That's a valid point. -
Bill,
2012-05-14, 20:23
- Or the petal hit the medal
- But at some point, the pedal has to hit the metal. -
Bill,
2012-05-14, 19:26
- and -
Jay,
2012-05-14, 16:12
- Texas A&M 2011: Discuss.
- "Clunky" is a great word for it -
Jeff (BGS),
2012-05-14, 08:07
- That's the $64,000 question - Jeff (BGS), 2012-05-13, 10:29
- Wins are data. Not the only data. Not always the best data. -
LaFortune Teller,
2012-05-13, 19:10
- "At some point wins matter" but when is that? -
Chris (HCC),
2012-05-13, 06:42
- Brian Kelly is making us more partisan.
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domer.mq,
2012-05-12, 18:21
- Resolved: Kelly is building the foundation for an NC at ND
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Jeff (BGS),
2012-05-12, 17:27
- Not sure what 'proof' there is to claim there -
Bill,
2012-05-12, 18:27
- cosign
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HumanRobot,
2012-05-13, 08:31
- cosign
- good one -
Jay,
2012-05-12, 17:37
- "Notre Dame needs Brian Kelly right now"
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Mike (bart),
2012-05-12, 21:17
- That one is interesting -
Jeremy (WeIsND),
2012-05-12, 18:13
- I thought of adding the modifier "today" - Jay, 2012-05-12, 18:30
- "Notre Dame needs Brian Kelly right now"
- Not sure what 'proof' there is to claim there -
Bill,
2012-05-12, 18:27
- Intelligence Squared is very fun -
NDSF,
2012-05-12, 17:09
- I can just imagine -
bpeters07,
2012-05-13, 05:52
- You mean "lying, thieving Albanian dwarf" -
NDSF,
2012-05-13, 09:06
- It was "thieving, fanatical Albanian dwarf." -
Slainte Joe,
2012-05-13, 21:13
- Fry is no Hitchens -
NDSF,
2012-05-13, 21:23
- I did. - Slainte Joe, 2012-05-13, 21:30
- Fry is no Hitchens -
NDSF,
2012-05-13, 21:23
- It was "thieving, fanatical Albanian dwarf." -
Slainte Joe,
2012-05-13, 21:13
- You mean "lying, thieving Albanian dwarf" -
NDSF,
2012-05-13, 09:06
- I put that one on the queue -
Jay,
2012-05-12, 17:36
- The Church gets precisely what it deserves
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NDSF,
2012-05-12, 17:38
- Fry is certainly charming ... -
Slainte Joe,
2012-05-12, 18:35
- watched it last night -
Jay,
2012-05-14, 11:34
- Even there, I prefer Hitchens's full frontal ... -
Slainte Joe,
2012-05-14, 18:52
- Hitch -
NDSF,
2012-05-14, 19:34
- On Maciel ... -
Slainte Joe,
2012-05-14, 19:56
- I would enjoy that -
NDSF,
2012-05-14, 20:25
- Sounds good. - Slainte Joe, 2012-05-14, 20:59
- I would enjoy that -
NDSF,
2012-05-14, 20:25
- On Maciel ... -
Slainte Joe,
2012-05-14, 19:56
- Hitch -
NDSF,
2012-05-14, 19:34
- Even there, I prefer Hitchens's full frontal ... -
Slainte Joe,
2012-05-14, 18:52
- He was horrid. -
Buck Mulligan,
2012-05-12, 19:49
- The experience of debating Hitchens ... - Slainte Joe, 2012-05-13, 05:06
- watched it last night -
Jay,
2012-05-14, 11:34
- Fry is certainly charming ... -
Slainte Joe,
2012-05-12, 18:35
- The Church gets precisely what it deserves
- I can just imagine -
bpeters07,
2012-05-13, 05:52
- I think the metric for Kelly is annual improvement -
Jeff (BGS),
2012-05-13, 06:26