On Maciel ...

by Slainte Joe , Raleigh, Monday, May 14, 2012, 19:56 (5139 days ago) @ NDSF

JPII is much, much more culpable than Ratzinger for keeping Maciel in the Vatican's graces. In fact, Ratzinger was never at ease with the Legionaries, and Benedict is the one who pulled Maciel from active ministry.

Same with the abuse scandal. To the extent that the Church can claim reforms on sexual abuse of children, and I think that it can, Ratzinger/Benedict deserves a good bit of credit. Frankly, JPII deserves much more of the blame.

Hitchens was simply unhinged on the subject of Ratzinger. In a rare departure from his usual grace, he made absolutely no attempt to understand the man.

At any rate, most of these topics would be good for a long dinner and a few bottles of wine.

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that Gladwell/Bissinger debate was the first - Jay, 2012-05-12, 16:24
- I think the metric for Kelly is annual improvement - Jeff (BGS), 2012-05-13, 06:26
  - "At some point wins matter" but when is that? - Chris (HCC), 2012-05-13, 06:42
    - Wins are data. Not the only data. Not always the best data. - LaFortune Teller, 2012-05-13, 19:10
      - "Clunky" is a great word for it - Jeff (BGS), 2012-05-14, 08:07
        
        Texas A&M 2011: Discuss. - Ken Fowler, 2012-05-14, 12:56
        
        and - Jay, 2012-05-14, 16:12
        
        But at some point, the pedal has to hit the metal. - Bill, 2012-05-14, 19:26
        
        Or the petal hit the medal - Jeff (BGS), 2012-05-15, 06:11
        
        the way I look at it - Jay, 2012-05-14, 19:47
        
        That's a valid point. - Bill, 2012-05-14, 20:23
        
        In general, I agree. But... - Greg, 2012-05-15, 11:14
        
        I was actually talking about sane people. - Bill, 2012-05-15, 11:26
        
        Ah. Gotcha. - Greg, 2012-05-15, 11:38
        
        I think credibility plays out in recruiting - Jay, 2012-05-15, 10:57
        
        Chicken and egg question - Jeff (BGS), 2012-05-15, 18:43
        
        Agreed - Bill, 2012-05-15, 11:26
        
        I think there is another goal than winning the championship - Jeff (BGS), 2012-05-14, 22:35
        
        That's why I included [and competing for] - Bill, 2012-05-15, 05:55
    - That's the $64,000 question - Jeff (BGS), 2012-05-13, 10:29
- Brian Kelly is making us more partisan. - domer.mq, 2012-05-12, 18:21
- Resolved: Kelly is building the foundation for an NC at ND - Jeff (BGS), 2012-05-12, 17:27
  - Not sure what 'proof' there is to claim there - Bill, 2012-05-12, 18:27
    - cosign - HumanRobot, 2012-05-13, 08:31
  - good one - Jay, 2012-05-12, 17:37
    - "Notre Dame needs Brian Kelly right now" - Mike (bart), 2012-05-12, 21:17
    - That one is interesting - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2012-05-12, 18:13
      - I thought of adding the modifier "today" - Jay, 2012-05-12, 18:30
- Intelligence Squared is very fun - NDSF, 2012-05-12, 17:09
  - I can just imagine - bpeters07, 2012-05-13, 05:52
    - You mean "lying, thieving Albanian dwarf" - NDSF, 2012-05-13, 09:06
      - It was "thieving, fanatical Albanian dwarf." - Slainte Joe, 2012-05-13, 21:13
        
        Fry is no Hitchens - NDSF, 2012-05-13, 21:23
        
        I did. - Slainte Joe, 2012-05-13, 21:30
  - I put that one on the queue - Jay, 2012-05-12, 17:36
    - The Church gets precisely what it deserves - NDSF, 2012-05-12, 17:38
      - Fry is certainly charming ... - Slainte Joe, 2012-05-12, 18:35
        
        watched it last night - Jay, 2012-05-14, 11:34
        
        Even there, I prefer Hitchens's full frontal ... - Slainte Joe, 2012-05-14, 18:52
        
        Hitch - NDSF, 2012-05-14, 19:34
        
        On Maciel ... - Slainte Joe, 2012-05-14, 19:56
        
        I would enjoy that - NDSF, 2012-05-14, 20:25
        
        Sounds good. - Slainte Joe, 2012-05-14, 20:59
        
        He was horrid. - Buck Mulligan, 2012-05-12, 19:49
        
        The experience of debating Hitchens ... - Slainte Joe, 2012-05-13, 05:06

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