That's the $64,000 question
I think year four is a reasonable time frame, especially with an "outlier" schedule in year three. At that point, the coach has a team consisting primarily of his own recruits. Although, I might buy an argument that says its even longer. With only 13 games per year, there really aren't that many oportunities to overcome bad luck if you get a few bad bounces early on.
Kelly was wise to address the lines in his first recruiting classes, however. They were not only positions of need for the program, but also the positions at which age and experience matter most. Without transfers, it's probably not truly a coach's line until year 5 or 6, when the offensive line could consist of 4th and 5th year top recruits schooled in the coach's technique.
Complete thread:
- that Gladwell/Bissinger debate was the first -
Jay,
2012-05-12, 16:24
- I think the metric for Kelly is annual improvement -
Jeff (BGS),
2012-05-13, 06:26
- "At some point wins matter" but when is that? -
Chris (HCC),
2012-05-13, 06:42
- Wins are data. Not the only data. Not always the best data. -
LaFortune Teller,
2012-05-13, 19:10
- "Clunky" is a great word for it -
Jeff (BGS),
2012-05-14, 08:07
- Texas A&M 2011: Discuss.
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Ken Fowler,
2012-05-14, 12:56
- and -
Jay,
2012-05-14, 16:12
- But at some point, the pedal has to hit the metal. -
Bill,
2012-05-14, 19:26
- Or the petal hit the medal
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Jeff (BGS),
2012-05-15, 06:11
- the way I look at it -
Jay,
2012-05-14, 19:47
- That's a valid point. -
Bill,
2012-05-14, 20:23
- In general, I agree. But... -
Greg,
2012-05-15, 11:14
- I was actually talking about sane people. -
Bill,
2012-05-15, 11:26
- Ah. Gotcha. - Greg, 2012-05-15, 11:38
- I was actually talking about sane people. -
Bill,
2012-05-15, 11:26
- I think credibility plays out in recruiting -
Jay,
2012-05-15, 10:57
- Chicken and egg question - Jeff (BGS), 2012-05-15, 18:43
- Agreed
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Bill,
2012-05-15, 11:26
- I think there is another goal than winning the championship -
Jeff (BGS),
2012-05-14, 22:35
- That's why I included [and competing for]
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Bill,
2012-05-15, 05:55
- That's why I included [and competing for]
- In general, I agree. But... -
Greg,
2012-05-15, 11:14
- That's a valid point. -
Bill,
2012-05-14, 20:23
- Or the petal hit the medal
- But at some point, the pedal has to hit the metal. -
Bill,
2012-05-14, 19:26
- and -
Jay,
2012-05-14, 16:12
- Texas A&M 2011: Discuss.
- "Clunky" is a great word for it -
Jeff (BGS),
2012-05-14, 08:07
- That's the $64,000 question - Jeff (BGS), 2012-05-13, 10:29
- Wins are data. Not the only data. Not always the best data. -
LaFortune Teller,
2012-05-13, 19:10
- "At some point wins matter" but when is that? -
Chris (HCC),
2012-05-13, 06:42
- Brian Kelly is making us more partisan.
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domer.mq,
2012-05-12, 18:21
- Resolved: Kelly is building the foundation for an NC at ND
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Jeff (BGS),
2012-05-12, 17:27
- Not sure what 'proof' there is to claim there -
Bill,
2012-05-12, 18:27
- cosign
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HumanRobot,
2012-05-13, 08:31
- cosign
- good one -
Jay,
2012-05-12, 17:37
- "Notre Dame needs Brian Kelly right now"
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Mike (bart),
2012-05-12, 21:17
- That one is interesting -
Jeremy (WeIsND),
2012-05-12, 18:13
- I thought of adding the modifier "today" - Jay, 2012-05-12, 18:30
- "Notre Dame needs Brian Kelly right now"
- Not sure what 'proof' there is to claim there -
Bill,
2012-05-12, 18:27
- Intelligence Squared is very fun -
NDSF,
2012-05-12, 17:09
- I can just imagine -
bpeters07,
2012-05-13, 05:52
- You mean "lying, thieving Albanian dwarf" -
NDSF,
2012-05-13, 09:06
- It was "thieving, fanatical Albanian dwarf." -
Slainte Joe,
2012-05-13, 21:13
- Fry is no Hitchens -
NDSF,
2012-05-13, 21:23
- I did. - Slainte Joe, 2012-05-13, 21:30
- Fry is no Hitchens -
NDSF,
2012-05-13, 21:23
- It was "thieving, fanatical Albanian dwarf." -
Slainte Joe,
2012-05-13, 21:13
- You mean "lying, thieving Albanian dwarf" -
NDSF,
2012-05-13, 09:06
- I put that one on the queue -
Jay,
2012-05-12, 17:36
- The Church gets precisely what it deserves
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NDSF,
2012-05-12, 17:38
- Fry is certainly charming ... -
Slainte Joe,
2012-05-12, 18:35
- watched it last night -
Jay,
2012-05-14, 11:34
- Even there, I prefer Hitchens's full frontal ... -
Slainte Joe,
2012-05-14, 18:52
- Hitch -
NDSF,
2012-05-14, 19:34
- On Maciel ... -
Slainte Joe,
2012-05-14, 19:56
- I would enjoy that -
NDSF,
2012-05-14, 20:25
- Sounds good. - Slainte Joe, 2012-05-14, 20:59
- I would enjoy that -
NDSF,
2012-05-14, 20:25
- On Maciel ... -
Slainte Joe,
2012-05-14, 19:56
- Hitch -
NDSF,
2012-05-14, 19:34
- Even there, I prefer Hitchens's full frontal ... -
Slainte Joe,
2012-05-14, 18:52
- He was horrid. -
Buck Mulligan,
2012-05-12, 19:49
- The experience of debating Hitchens ... - Slainte Joe, 2012-05-13, 05:06
- watched it last night -
Jay,
2012-05-14, 11:34
- Fry is certainly charming ... -
Slainte Joe,
2012-05-12, 18:35
- The Church gets precisely what it deserves
- I can just imagine -
bpeters07,
2012-05-13, 05:52
- I think the metric for Kelly is annual improvement -
Jeff (BGS),
2012-05-13, 06:26