I think the metric for Kelly is annual improvement

by Jeff (BGS) , A starter home in suburban Tempe, Sunday, May 13, 2012, 06:26 (5140 days ago) @ Jay

And, I do believe that ND was better in 2011 than 2010. Unfortunately, 2012 might turn in a second consecutive where the team is better than its record indicates, and at some point wins matter. The other problem is that this approach requires quite a bit of patience. But, 9-4 next season followed by 10-3 in 2013 would probably quiet most of the critics and then allow us to turn the debate to Kelly's ceiling. Ar that point, the program would almost certainly be in better shape than it's been in more than a decade.

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that Gladwell/Bissinger debate was the first - Jay, 2012-05-12, 16:24
- I think the metric for Kelly is annual improvement - Jeff (BGS), 2012-05-13, 06:26
  - "At some point wins matter" but when is that? - Chris (HCC), 2012-05-13, 06:42
    - Wins are data. Not the only data. Not always the best data. - LaFortune Teller, 2012-05-13, 19:10
      - "Clunky" is a great word for it - Jeff (BGS), 2012-05-14, 08:07
        
        Texas A&M 2011: Discuss. - Ken Fowler, 2012-05-14, 12:56
        
        and - Jay, 2012-05-14, 16:12
        
        But at some point, the pedal has to hit the metal. - Bill, 2012-05-14, 19:26
        
        Or the petal hit the medal - Jeff (BGS), 2012-05-15, 06:11
        
        the way I look at it - Jay, 2012-05-14, 19:47
        
        That's a valid point. - Bill, 2012-05-14, 20:23
        
        In general, I agree. But... - Greg, 2012-05-15, 11:14
        
        I was actually talking about sane people. - Bill, 2012-05-15, 11:26
        
        Ah. Gotcha. - Greg, 2012-05-15, 11:38
        
        I think credibility plays out in recruiting - Jay, 2012-05-15, 10:57
        
        Chicken and egg question - Jeff (BGS), 2012-05-15, 18:43
        
        Agreed - Bill, 2012-05-15, 11:26
        
        I think there is another goal than winning the championship - Jeff (BGS), 2012-05-14, 22:35
        
        That's why I included [and competing for] - Bill, 2012-05-15, 05:55
    - That's the $64,000 question - Jeff (BGS), 2012-05-13, 10:29
- Brian Kelly is making us more partisan. - domer.mq, 2012-05-12, 18:21
- Resolved: Kelly is building the foundation for an NC at ND - Jeff (BGS), 2012-05-12, 17:27
  - Not sure what 'proof' there is to claim there - Bill, 2012-05-12, 18:27
    - cosign - HumanRobot, 2012-05-13, 08:31
  - good one - Jay, 2012-05-12, 17:37
    - "Notre Dame needs Brian Kelly right now" - Mike (bart), 2012-05-12, 21:17
    - That one is interesting - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2012-05-12, 18:13
      - I thought of adding the modifier "today" - Jay, 2012-05-12, 18:30
- Intelligence Squared is very fun - NDSF, 2012-05-12, 17:09
  - I can just imagine - bpeters07, 2012-05-13, 05:52
    - You mean "lying, thieving Albanian dwarf" - NDSF, 2012-05-13, 09:06
      - It was "thieving, fanatical Albanian dwarf." - Slainte Joe, 2012-05-13, 21:13
        
        Fry is no Hitchens - NDSF, 2012-05-13, 21:23
        
        I did. - Slainte Joe, 2012-05-13, 21:30
  - I put that one on the queue - Jay, 2012-05-12, 17:36
    - The Church gets precisely what it deserves - NDSF, 2012-05-12, 17:38
      - Fry is certainly charming ... - Slainte Joe, 2012-05-12, 18:35
        
        watched it last night - Jay, 2012-05-14, 11:34
        
        Even there, I prefer Hitchens's full frontal ... - Slainte Joe, 2012-05-14, 18:52
        
        Hitch - NDSF, 2012-05-14, 19:34
        
        On Maciel ... - Slainte Joe, 2012-05-14, 19:56
        
        I would enjoy that - NDSF, 2012-05-14, 20:25
        
        Sounds good. - Slainte Joe, 2012-05-14, 20:59
        
        He was horrid. - Buck Mulligan, 2012-05-12, 19:49
        
        The experience of debating Hitchens ... - Slainte Joe, 2012-05-13, 05:06

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I think the metric for Kelly is annual improvement