Wins are data. Not the only data. Not always the best data.

by LaFortune Teller , South Bend, Sunday, May 13, 2012, 19:10 (5140 days ago) @ Chris (HCC)

I agree that it is wise to consider the question "Is the team better?", but it's probably worth trying to identify metrics that can answer that question rather than just have it be a feeling. I think there are many ways in which ND was measurably better in 2011 than 2010, and there are some in which it was measurably worse.

Year-to-year, wins aren't worthless, but they are a very clunky way to measure success in small time spans. What other data points position us for wins?

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that Gladwell/Bissinger debate was the first - Jay, 2012-05-12, 16:24
- I think the metric for Kelly is annual improvement - Jeff (BGS), 2012-05-13, 06:26
  - "At some point wins matter" but when is that? - Chris (HCC), 2012-05-13, 06:42
    - Wins are data. Not the only data. Not always the best data. - LaFortune Teller, 2012-05-13, 19:10
      - "Clunky" is a great word for it - Jeff (BGS), 2012-05-14, 08:07
        
        Texas A&M 2011: Discuss. - Ken Fowler, 2012-05-14, 12:56
        
        and - Jay, 2012-05-14, 16:12
        
        But at some point, the pedal has to hit the metal. - Bill, 2012-05-14, 19:26
        
        Or the petal hit the medal - Jeff (BGS), 2012-05-15, 06:11
        
        the way I look at it - Jay, 2012-05-14, 19:47
        
        That's a valid point. - Bill, 2012-05-14, 20:23
        
        In general, I agree. But... - Greg, 2012-05-15, 11:14
        
        I was actually talking about sane people. - Bill, 2012-05-15, 11:26
        
        Ah. Gotcha. - Greg, 2012-05-15, 11:38
        
        I think credibility plays out in recruiting - Jay, 2012-05-15, 10:57
        
        Chicken and egg question - Jeff (BGS), 2012-05-15, 18:43
        
        Agreed - Bill, 2012-05-15, 11:26
        
        I think there is another goal than winning the championship - Jeff (BGS), 2012-05-14, 22:35
        
        That's why I included [and competing for] - Bill, 2012-05-15, 05:55
    - That's the $64,000 question - Jeff (BGS), 2012-05-13, 10:29
- Brian Kelly is making us more partisan. - domer.mq, 2012-05-12, 18:21
- Resolved: Kelly is building the foundation for an NC at ND - Jeff (BGS), 2012-05-12, 17:27
  - Not sure what 'proof' there is to claim there - Bill, 2012-05-12, 18:27
    - cosign - HumanRobot, 2012-05-13, 08:31
  - good one - Jay, 2012-05-12, 17:37
    - "Notre Dame needs Brian Kelly right now" - Mike (bart), 2012-05-12, 21:17
    - That one is interesting - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2012-05-12, 18:13
      - I thought of adding the modifier "today" - Jay, 2012-05-12, 18:30
- Intelligence Squared is very fun - NDSF, 2012-05-12, 17:09
  - I can just imagine - bpeters07, 2012-05-13, 05:52
    - You mean "lying, thieving Albanian dwarf" - NDSF, 2012-05-13, 09:06
      - It was "thieving, fanatical Albanian dwarf." - Slainte Joe, 2012-05-13, 21:13
        
        Fry is no Hitchens - NDSF, 2012-05-13, 21:23
        
        I did. - Slainte Joe, 2012-05-13, 21:30
  - I put that one on the queue - Jay, 2012-05-12, 17:36
    - The Church gets precisely what it deserves - NDSF, 2012-05-12, 17:38
      - Fry is certainly charming ... - Slainte Joe, 2012-05-12, 18:35
        
        watched it last night - Jay, 2012-05-14, 11:34
        
        Even there, I prefer Hitchens's full frontal ... - Slainte Joe, 2012-05-14, 18:52
        
        Hitch - NDSF, 2012-05-14, 19:34
        
        On Maciel ... - Slainte Joe, 2012-05-14, 19:56
        
        I would enjoy that - NDSF, 2012-05-14, 20:25
        
        Sounds good. - Slainte Joe, 2012-05-14, 20:59
        
        He was horrid. - Buck Mulligan, 2012-05-12, 19:49
        
        The experience of debating Hitchens ... - Slainte Joe, 2012-05-13, 05:06

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Wins are data. Not the only data. Not always the best data.