I think there are some things we know at this point.....

by BillyGoat , At Thanksgiving with Joe Bethersontin, Monday, September 09, 2024, 08:53 (194 days ago) @ BillyGoat

1. The 2 best skill players we have are Price and Love. And it's not close. Good football says you have to maximize their touches. I know we have OL concerns, and I respect Ford, but I haaaaaaaaaaaaaaate that we take our two best offensive players off the field on third and long right now.

2. Evans, when healthy is No. 3.

3. Our WR group is much improved from last year's, but these aren't guys who are going to make plays on their own. They need a throw on time and on target. Instead, we have Greathouse skying for a screen and Mitchell trying to dig a 5 yard in out of the turf.

4. Assuming Raridon and Flanigan are roughly as good at TE as our WRs are at WR right now, I'd get them on the field more in the hopes that they can enhance the opportunities for Price and Love.

5. We have a very young OL that needs some help slowing down the rush with screen and quick game. Leonard has been very shaky on those throws. And it's making his life harder too.

So, we have some OK parts, but no gamewreckers other than the two RBs. So, we need a QB who can facilitate an offense that is greater than the sum of its parts. And that ain't Leonard's strength. If I had time, I bet I could find a post I wrote saying the same thing regarding Wimbush vs. Book.

I'd trend towards 12 personnel (even occasional 22 personnel) and Angeli at this point. I know we want to be more explosive. But that's going to have to happen mostly on play action to Collins and Faison at this point.

I believe Freeman knows that "Tresselball" can't win in this era and that we need to be more explosive. Denbrock was a step in that direction, and we are trying to spread it and chuck it. I also think he knows we need to show more explosive passing success (not of the "in our own face" kind we saw on Saturday. But the fact of the matter is that despite his best intentions, we can't force it. And nothing matters more than winning.

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Denbrock, Leonard and the Offense - HumanRobot, 2024-09-09, 07:45
- "Both QBs will play" - Supe, 2024-09-09, 09:07
- If you believe in Pass Efficiency as a QB metric - Jeff (BGS), 2024-09-09, 08:54
- The politics of at all are kind of interesting - Mike (bart), 2024-09-09, 07:57
  - The paysites are already starting up - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2024-09-09, 11:02
  - Notre Dame lost to Northern Illinois in the home opener. - PMan, 2024-09-09, 10:06
  - Investment vs. Results - NDJuban, 2024-09-09, 08:18
    - Winning is the only ROI. And I very much doubt that anybody - BillyGoat, 2024-09-09, 08:20
      - You and I were in a race to say the same thing. - atxND, 2024-09-09, 08:24
  - yup - HumanRobot, 2024-09-09, 08:18
    - For anyone donating NIL money for Riley Leonard - atxND, 2024-09-09, 08:22
      - it's probably a lot more fraught than that - Mike (bart), 2024-09-09, 09:02
        
        One is not a pattern. On bust #3, you have credibility - atxND, 2024-09-09, 09:07
        
        Looks like both their Duke transfers are busts - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2024-09-09, 11:05
        
        I think you're right but it's the most common thing in the - Mike (bart), 2024-09-09, 09:16
        
        Riley Leonard isn't going to sink Denbrock - KGB, 2024-09-09, 09:59
        
        Bad news is 16-14 NIU wins in South Bend. - atxND, 2024-09-09, 09:57
        
        good point - Mike (bart), 2024-09-09, 10:02
  - I'm less worried about the politics - BPH, 2024-09-09, 08:04
    - it would blow away everything I know about team sports - Mike (bart), 2024-09-09, 08:09
      - Angeli probably had some locker room support - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2024-09-09, 11:04
        
        Exactly. To me that bowl performance was impressive, - Madtown, 2024-09-09, 12:10
      - Malik Zaire had locker room defenders somehow - CK08, 2024-09-09, 09:05
  - Freeman can couch it in injury - Jeff (BGS), 2024-09-09, 08:02
    - Exactly. Everyone saw his throwing hand hit the helmet - BillyGoat, 2024-09-09, 08:18
    - I agree, I think it's the dominantly superior move - Mike (bart), 2024-09-09, 08:03
- An example of the RPO not working (I think) - Charles, 2024-09-09, 07:55
  - yup that's the skip RPO idea - HumanRobot, 2024-09-09, 07:56
    - Great example, and shows how much a change at QB could help - Mike (bart), 2024-09-09, 08:04
      - Yeah, the little things would go a long way here - Charles, 2024-09-09, 08:33
      - it's also why - HumanRobot, 2024-09-09, 08:30
        
        Goolsby is smart, but I think he likes his "takes." - BillyGoat, 2024-09-09, 08:44
        
        indeed - KGB, 2024-09-09, 09:12
        
        I think there are some things we know at this point..... - BillyGoat, 2024-09-09, 08:53
        
        a quibble - HumanRobot, 2024-09-09, 09:56
        
        Yes. Ideally those are your two bellcow receivers. And you - BillyGoat, 2024-09-09, 09:57
        
        it's honestly not even clear what we were trying to do - Mike (bart), 2024-09-09, 10:01
        
        it's the Duke 2022 offense - HumanRobot, 2024-09-09, 10:10
        
        Faison expected back this week, fwiw - KGB, 2024-09-09, 10:00
        
        Great summary - BPH, 2024-09-09, 09:49
        
        haven't heard his take on this, but I think it is fair - Jay, 2024-09-09, 08:49
        
        do you have some playcalling/design in mind? - HumanRobot, 2024-09-09, 10:55
        
        We had Leonard before we had Denbrock. I wonder whether - BillyGoat, 2024-09-09, 08:54
        
        we also have protection problems, and receiver problems - Jay, 2024-09-09, 08:59
        
        you don't see the plays that don't happen because it comes - Mike (bart), 2024-09-09, 09:11
        
        not saying he didn't suck - Jay, 2024-09-09, 09:16
        
        Pretty sure, the bad snaps happened on Saturday also - Jeff (BGS), 2024-09-09, 09:05

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I think there are some things we know at this point.....