a few thoughts
On Question 1
Just because a kid is more physically gifted or mature doesn't mean that kid doesn't have tons of room for improvement. One way to keep that kid engaged is use them as a coach. When you break things down in to small groups, tell the more mature player that you expect them to train the younger/less physically talented kids. Tell that kid, "Well your game is great, but how are your leadership skills? ... You've still got lots of areas you need to improve on if you want to become a great player on a national level."
Also, you can build it into your training ... for instance, I trained with a kid that played on the US U21 national team. He used to have us play him 2v1. He always said in order for him to be great, he had to learn to beat 2 or 3 players at one time and he wanted to train like that. (BTW, he whipped our ass. It was stunning. He was an elite national player at that time (He scored on Tony Meola in the U21 vs the national team match prior to WC '94)).
In soccer, like in many other team sports, one great player wont get very far if the rest of his team doesn't get it done. This fact is an easy way to keep an elite player motivated. I've had the team stud teach other kids proper heading technique, 1v1 technique, how to identify passing lanes and space that will open up etc.
On Question 2
You dont see kids playing in the parks? That's all we did growing up. I'd be surprised if that isn't true for the majority of elite players, not just nationwide, but world wide. I know some pretty impressive young players and their backyard looks like a Man U pitch. They play ALL the time. And experimenting, creating different scoring methods with their friends happens every day. There's tons of good training games that encourage this that I've used while coaching as well as used as a player over the last 30 years. (The best example I know of this is from my old ND roommate. His oldest son, who's club team is scheduled to train in Holland for a week later this year, has some hysterical games with his buddies in their backyard pickup games.)
Complete thread:
- A soccer note -
Greg,
2014-07-24, 08:15
- Not to put too fine a point on it -
IrishGuard,
2014-07-25, 07:04
- Is baseball? -
Greg,
2014-07-25, 07:47
- Baseball is in a world of hurt -
crazychester,
2014-07-25, 08:17
- Somewhat related... - Jim (OFD), 2014-07-25, 08:26
- Baseball is in a world of hurt -
crazychester,
2014-07-25, 08:17
- Is baseball? -
Greg,
2014-07-25, 07:47
- Well, for all the dudes in this thread .... -
Puck52,
2014-07-24, 13:50
- Great post imo. -
Mark,
2014-07-24, 15:15
- Very true -- we required that they each ... -
Puck52,
2014-07-24, 15:50
- From experience there is only one problem with that. - River, 2014-07-24, 16:12
- Very true -- we required that they each ... -
Puck52,
2014-07-24, 15:50
- Thanks. Two questions and an explanation -
Greg,
2014-07-24, 14:02
- a few thoughts -
Mark,
2014-07-24, 15:06
- Thanks! A couple thoughts. -
Greg,
2014-07-24, 15:19
- On No. 2, if you want to be heartened, check out Cromwell - Ken Fowler, 2014-07-24, 15:58
- I wonder how much of that - Mark, 2014-07-24, 15:26
- Thanks! A couple thoughts. -
Greg,
2014-07-24, 15:19
- A few thoughts -
Puck52,
2014-07-24, 14:41
- I like your ideas - Greg, 2014-07-24, 14:50
- a few thoughts -
Mark,
2014-07-24, 15:06
- Great post imo. -
Mark,
2014-07-24, 15:15
- To be fair, MLS teams often do well in these friendlies -
HCE,
2014-07-24, 09:01
- Bear in mind that the European teams... -
ndroman21,
2014-07-24, 09:06
- Indeed,which is why these friendlies should be taken - HCE, 2014-07-24, 11:33
- Bear in mind that the European teams... -
ndroman21,
2014-07-24, 09:06
- What happened yesterday better open some eyes in the MLS. -
River,
2014-07-24, 08:42
- Not only would I not keep score... - Greg, 2014-07-24, 09:16
- After watching Chicago play last night... - ndroman21, 2014-07-24, 08:58
- CASL does that here in Raleigh. -
Chris,
2014-07-24, 08:49
- Good. - River, 2014-07-24, 09:22
- Don't keep score until middle school? -
CK08,
2014-07-24, 08:45
- My son's U9 coach has an approach I like. - Kevin, 2014-07-24, 10:42
- Essentially, yes. - River, 2014-07-24, 09:18
- The tactics that win games in U9 don't develop players. -
ndroman21,
2014-07-24, 08:51
- Maybe other rule changes then? -
CK08,
2014-07-24, 09:15
- IMO the best way to go is to keep score and make -
BillyGoat,
2014-07-24, 09:23
- "The world" does not keep score -
ndphilo,
2014-07-24, 10:47
- There are two different things -
CK08,
2014-07-24, 10:50
- that's not the world keeping score -
Spesh,
2014-07-24, 11:00
- I've lost a hell of a lot more than I've won -
CK08,
2014-07-24, 11:04
- I like the idea of not officially keeping score. -
Kevin,
2014-07-24, 12:32
- I also like the idea of no trophies - Greg, 2014-07-24, 12:49
- I like the idea of not officially keeping score. -
Kevin,
2014-07-24, 12:32
- I've lost a hell of a lot more than I've won -
CK08,
2014-07-24, 11:04
- No, that is people keeping score -
ndphilo,
2014-07-24, 11:00
- On a broad scale -
CK08,
2014-07-24, 11:03
- That's also not score keeping -
ndphilo,
2014-07-24, 11:11
- I guess I'm not talking about being a good winner -
CK08,
2014-07-24, 11:18
- Here's hoping you win! - ndphilo, 2014-07-24, 11:37
- I guess I'm not talking about being a good winner -
CK08,
2014-07-24, 11:18
- That's also not score keeping -
ndphilo,
2014-07-24, 11:11
- On a broad scale -
CK08,
2014-07-24, 11:03
- that's not the world keeping score -
Spesh,
2014-07-24, 11:00
- There are two different things -
CK08,
2014-07-24, 10:50
- "The world" does not keep score -
ndphilo,
2014-07-24, 10:47
- Interesting -
Greg,
2014-07-24, 09:19
- In order to be employed, someone is judging us -
Ken Fowler,
2014-07-24, 09:25
- Here's my thought -
CK08,
2014-07-24, 10:13
- I just think we need to change what it means to score - Ken Fowler, 2014-07-24, 10:34
- This seems truthy -
Dylan,
2014-07-24, 10:32
- I can only speak for myself -
CK08,
2014-07-24, 10:38
- How can you say this? -
Dylan,
2014-07-24, 10:41
- I whole-heartedly agree with the benefits of scorekeeping - crazychester, 2014-07-24, 10:47
- No one -
Spesh,
2014-07-24, 10:45
- Keeping score can equal praise for effort -
CK08,
2014-07-24, 10:46
- Keeping score in a game so reliant on teamwork -
Kevin,
2014-07-24, 10:57
- Is your coach named Chuck Martin? - Tim, 2014-07-24, 12:10
- I like your coach a lot - Greg, 2014-07-24, 11:03
- Again, agreed - crazychester, 2014-07-24, 10:52
- Keeping score in a game so reliant on teamwork -
Kevin,
2014-07-24, 10:57
- Keeping score can equal praise for effort -
CK08,
2014-07-24, 10:46
- Isn't half the world bitching about "entitled millenials"? -
CK08,
2014-07-24, 10:44
- Or do they just show up because they know they won't "win" -
ndphilo,
2014-07-24, 10:56
- We don't have to emphasize score keeping -
CK08,
2014-07-24, 11:00
- The alternative ignores the score -
Dylan,
2014-07-24, 11:09
- Playing is fun. Winning is more fun. -
Ken Fowler,
2014-07-24, 11:23
- Winning is fun when you're old enough to know -
Dylan,
2014-07-24, 11:28
- I recall my kids' teams all taking their losses .... - Puck52, 2014-07-24, 18:26
- Winning is fun when you're old enough to know -
Dylan,
2014-07-24, 11:28
- this really isn't that hard - what are the learning targets? -
Spesh,
2014-07-24, 11:20
- Winning is one of the …. - Puck52, 2014-07-24, 22:05
- Ken's idea would achieve both - CK08, 2014-07-24, 11:25
- Playing is fun. Winning is more fun. -
Ken Fowler,
2014-07-24, 11:23
- The alternative ignores the score -
Dylan,
2014-07-24, 11:09
- What happened to both/and? -
Ken Fowler,
2014-07-24, 10:58
- Sure - ndphilo, 2014-07-24, 11:08
- We don't have to emphasize score keeping -
CK08,
2014-07-24, 11:00
- They may be. But like most PopPsy bullshit, - Dylan, 2014-07-24, 10:48
- Or do they just show up because they know they won't "win" -
ndphilo,
2014-07-24, 10:56
- How can you say this? -
Dylan,
2014-07-24, 10:41
- I think it teaches kids... -
Greg,
2014-07-24, 10:35
- I was the smallest kid on almost any field, even in HS -
CK08,
2014-07-24, 10:42
- How many did quit? -
Dylan,
2014-07-24, 10:45
- I honestly can't think of one - CK08, 2014-07-24, 10:58
- How many did quit? -
Dylan,
2014-07-24, 10:45
- That's a parent problem, not a sports problem -
Ken Fowler,
2014-07-24, 10:42
- I love this line -
Greg,
2014-07-24, 10:47
- 12 just seems really late to me -
CK08,
2014-07-24, 10:53
- Are you sure? How many such leagues did you play in? -
JN,
2014-07-24, 11:10
- I agree with almost everything you wrote -
CK08,
2014-07-24, 11:16
- Not quite - JN, 2014-07-24, 11:27
- I agree with almost everything you wrote -
CK08,
2014-07-24, 11:16
- But... - Greg, 2014-07-24, 10:59
- Are you sure? How many such leagues did you play in? -
JN,
2014-07-24, 11:10
- But your argument goes further than that -
Ken Fowler,
2014-07-24, 10:52
- Let's see -
Greg,
2014-07-24, 10:57
- Kids can't be competitive at 11 years old? -
Ken Fowler,
2014-07-24, 10:59
- Why do they need to be? -
River,
2014-07-24, 11:15
- Because it's enjoyable -
Ken Fowler,
2014-07-24, 11:24
- I get that, but so is just playing. -
River,
2014-07-24, 11:46
- I think the worry about HS soccer is a tempest ... - Puck52, 2014-07-24, 18:32
- I get that, but so is just playing. -
River,
2014-07-24, 11:46
- Because it's enjoyable -
Ken Fowler,
2014-07-24, 11:24
- Have to draw a line somewhere -
Greg,
2014-07-24, 11:05
- That's not true for Ken and I - CK08, 2014-07-24, 11:06
- THEY *COMPETED* FOR THAT EGG - Ken Fowler, 2014-07-24, 11:06
- Why do they need to be? -
River,
2014-07-24, 11:15
- Kids can't be competitive at 11 years old? -
Ken Fowler,
2014-07-24, 10:59
- Let's see -
Greg,
2014-07-24, 10:57
- 12 just seems really late to me -
CK08,
2014-07-24, 10:53
- I love this line -
Greg,
2014-07-24, 10:47
- I was the smallest kid on almost any field, even in HS -
CK08,
2014-07-24, 10:42
- I can only speak for myself -
CK08,
2014-07-24, 10:38
- ~75% of boys keep score anyway, across all sports. -
Buck Mulligan,
2014-07-24, 09:42
- This. -
CK08,
2014-07-24, 10:15
- Chicken and egg -
Dylan,
2014-07-24, 10:35
- If the six year olds had never played in a keep-score game -
CK08,
2014-07-24, 10:40
- By incessant chatter from overweening parents -
Dylan,
2014-07-24, 10:42
- That's a parent problem. -
CK08,
2014-07-24, 10:47
- Um -
Greg,
2014-07-24, 10:54
- So should we stop talking ND scores with kids? -
Ken Fowler,
2014-07-24, 10:55
- How do you get that? -
Greg,
2014-07-24, 11:06
- The subthread leads to that pretty readily - Ken Fowler, 2014-07-24, 11:08
- How do you get that? -
Greg,
2014-07-24, 11:06
- So should we stop talking ND scores with kids? -
Ken Fowler,
2014-07-24, 10:55
- uh, ALL OF THEM -
Dylan,
2014-07-24, 10:52
- But that's what you're doing - Ken Fowler, 2014-07-24, 10:54
- Um -
Greg,
2014-07-24, 10:54
- That's a parent problem. -
CK08,
2014-07-24, 10:47
- By incessant chatter from overweening parents -
Dylan,
2014-07-24, 10:42
- If the six year olds had never played in a keep-score game -
CK08,
2014-07-24, 10:40
- Then let the kids keep score in their heads - Greg, 2014-07-24, 10:32
- Chicken and egg -
Dylan,
2014-07-24, 10:35
- This. -
CK08,
2014-07-24, 10:15
- I'm not sure kids need to learn that at 10 years old. -
ndroman21,
2014-07-24, 09:32
- I think they do -
CK08,
2014-07-24, 10:20
- practice vs. games, natch. - Buck Mulligan, 2014-07-24, 10:36
- Bingo. -
River,
2014-07-24, 09:34
- We're in complete agreement. - ndroman21, 2014-07-24, 09:40
- I think they do -
CK08,
2014-07-24, 10:20
- Hey Johnny, you scored 6 goals today. You rule! -
Greg,
2014-07-24, 09:28
- 12-13 is too late though - CK08, 2014-07-24, 10:18
- That about sums it up. - River, 2014-07-24, 09:42
- Here's my thought -
CK08,
2014-07-24, 10:13
- In order to be employed, someone is judging us -
Ken Fowler,
2014-07-24, 09:25
- IMO the best way to go is to keep score and make -
BillyGoat,
2014-07-24, 09:23
- Maybe other rule changes then? -
CK08,
2014-07-24, 09:15
- The Galaxy? - Chris, 2014-07-24, 08:33
- Homerist comment on Manchester United -
Pat (Moco),
2014-07-24, 08:20
- God bless David Moyes. -
tex29,
2014-07-24, 08:22
- Your mother was a hamster. - Pat (Moco), 2014-07-24, 10:43
- God bless David Moyes. -
tex29,
2014-07-24, 08:22
- And yet, guys like Besler and Zusi chose to stay at home -
Jim (OFD),
2014-07-24, 08:19
- I tend to think that... -
Greg,
2014-07-24, 08:25
- I'd say our best players have a duty to answer -
Dylan,
2014-07-24, 08:28
- I don't know that's it's a desire not to play the best... -
ndroman21,
2014-07-24, 08:46
- The league is much closer to buying than selling now - irishoutsider, 2014-07-24, 10:49
- I don't know that's it's a desire not to play the best... -
ndroman21,
2014-07-24, 08:46
- I'd say our best players have a duty to answer -
Dylan,
2014-07-24, 08:28
- I tend to think that... -
Greg,
2014-07-24, 08:25
- Not to put too fine a point on it -
IrishGuard,
2014-07-25, 07:04