Maybe there's a difference
by Buffalo 
, The Dirty South, Wednesday, October 12, 2016, 06:45 (3121 days ago) @ KGB
between "blame" and "held responsible."
Some very well-intentioned people I know believe that no one was ever really held responsible -- i.e., suffered any ostensible, negative consequences -- for Sullivan's death. Several I know in that group think that Kelly is otherwise a good coach. I think even those people would agree that it was an accident, but they believe that under the circumstances, it was an avoidable one. I won't re-hash all the reasons why.
It's an emotional issue. That's why you say "fuck those people," and they say "Kelly's the guy in charge, and really he paid no price for a life-altering mistake." To each his own, but I do think it is unfair to say "fuck them."
I am in the camp that says if the Sullivan's can find it in their hearts to forgive Kelly, Swarbrick, and the University, then so can I. But I understand those who cannot.
Complete thread:
- Buckle up! -
Chris,
2016-10-11, 09:40
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- Also a great exchange about Kizer -
Brendan,
2016-10-11, 10:38
- I love this. Good to see he still has a sense of humor
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Turtlecrack,
2016-10-11, 10:48
- I think banter is with The Observer's student reporter, too. -
PMan,
2016-10-11, 10:40
- She's new with Indy Star. Just looks like a student. -
KA123,
2016-10-11, 15:56
- Thanks. - PMan, 2016-10-11, 21:44
- And some more humor at the end - Brendan, 2016-10-11, 10:46
- She's new with Indy Star. Just looks like a student.
- I love this. Good to see he still has a sense of humor
- The full quote, as usual, has a different tone - Brendan, 2016-10-11, 10:29
- Honestly, I dont have time for those fans. -
River,
2016-10-11, 09:54
- The focus on yelling is just people trying to find - Turtlecrack, 2016-10-11, 10:45
- Let Kelly be Kelly - Greg, 2016-10-11, 09:58
- his whole presser has been a mea culpa -
Jay,
2016-10-11, 09:46
- That "day one" comment: -
Brendan,
2016-10-11, 10:45
- We have a complete dearth of senior leadership -
CK08,
2016-10-11, 10:51
- ND's 2016 team experience -
Mark,
2016-10-11, 11:52
- I don't know about comparing to past teams -
Jeremy (WeIsND),
2016-10-11, 12:16
- I believe Smythe has a fifth year -
CW (Rakes),
2016-10-11, 12:18
- Looks like that's right - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2016-10-11, 12:20
- I believe Smythe has a fifth year -
CW (Rakes),
2016-10-11, 12:18
- I don't know about comparing to past teams -
Jeremy (WeIsND),
2016-10-11, 12:16
- ND's 2016 team experience -
Mark,
2016-10-11, 11:52
- We have a complete dearth of senior leadership -
CK08,
2016-10-11, 10:51
- From an interested fan/alum perspective... -
PMan,
2016-10-11, 09:52
- the character assassination is what I don't get -
Jay,
2016-10-11, 10:09
- I'm just reading this thread now.... - MTIrish, 2016-10-12, 13:35
- Keep in mind that parts of our fan base - Bill, 2016-10-12, 07:13
- I understand it. -
Buffalo,
2016-10-12, 05:51
- I actually can't understand Declan Sullivan as an excuse. -
KGB,
2016-10-12, 06:19
- That whole saga is disappointing -
Domer99,
2016-10-12, 12:25
- Exactly. - KGB, 2016-10-12, 13:55
- for some, the character assassination predates his hiring -
Jay,
2016-10-12, 06:58
- And it's not really about him - Greg, 2016-10-12, 07:56
- There's of course the 'ND Football Ego Brigade' -
Mike (bart),
2016-10-12, 07:43
- I've always been fascinated by the paradox -
Jeremy (WeIsND),
2016-10-12, 08:44
- Eh, people do that about their country, their church -
Flann,
2016-10-12, 10:04
- I certainly get that - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2016-10-12, 10:16
- Like the complaints about the administration's "greed". -
KGB,
2016-10-12, 09:11
- I think there's a little bit of a twist with technology - Domer99, 2016-10-12, 12:00
- Reminds me of an Al Franken quote. -
Kevin,
2016-10-12, 09:24
- Quick poll: do you love ND? -
Mike (bart),
2016-10-12, 09:32
- I love Notre Dame like a girlfriend. -
Kevin,
2016-10-12, 09:46
- do you have these riffs in a library in your brain -
Mike (bart),
2016-10-12, 09:50
- The latter. -
Kevin,
2016-10-12, 09:54
- +/- of the digital era - Mike (bart), 2016-10-12, 10:01
- The latter. -
Kevin,
2016-10-12, 09:54
- do you have these riffs in a library in your brain -
Mike (bart),
2016-10-12, 09:50
- That's a really complicated question -
Greg,
2016-10-12, 09:46
- so, bear with me on an idea here re: ND as "special" -
Mike (bart),
2016-10-12, 09:57
- I think it's special -
Coach Gillespie,
2016-10-12, 13:07
- That's pretty well said and I agree. -
Domer99,
2016-10-12, 14:21
- yeah, but you were "somebody" -
Mike (bart),
2016-10-12, 13:28
- So you're telling me - Coach Gillespie, 2016-10-12, 13:42
- That's pretty well said and I agree.
- The magic thing is kind of self-perpetuating at this point, -
LT,
2016-10-12, 12:24
- I think your third paragraph gets to it exactly - Mike (bart), 2016-10-12, 12:38
- I think you are conflating some things - Domer99, 2016-10-12, 12:18
- Mostly just a football fan now. The lack of humility and - Buck Mulligan, 2016-10-12, 12:05
- for my part - Jay, 2016-10-12, 11:54
- I have no problem with that distinction - Greg, 2016-10-12, 10:11
- I think it's special -
Coach Gillespie,
2016-10-12, 13:07
- so, bear with me on an idea here re: ND as "special" -
Mike (bart),
2016-10-12, 09:57
- I love Notre Dame like a girlfriend. -
Kevin,
2016-10-12, 09:46
- Quick poll: do you love ND? -
Mike (bart),
2016-10-12, 09:32
- I don't have much of an opinion about either thing - Mike (bart), 2016-10-12, 09:18
- Eh, people do that about their country, their church -
Flann,
2016-10-12, 10:04
- I've always been fascinated by the paradox -
Jeremy (WeIsND),
2016-10-12, 08:44
- Maybe there's a difference -
Buffalo,
2016-10-12, 06:45
- some experience in industrial safety -
Jay,
2016-10-12, 07:19
- a bit more - Jay, 2016-10-12, 07:28
- some experience in industrial safety -
Jay,
2016-10-12, 07:19
- That whole saga is disappointing -
Domer99,
2016-10-12, 12:25
- I agree that those are some of the reasons given -
Jay,
2016-10-12, 06:09
- I actually can't understand Declan Sullivan as an excuse. -
KGB,
2016-10-12, 06:19
- There's been an element that's hated him from the start -
Coach Gillespie,
2016-10-11, 11:31
- If you assume the very worst about Kelly as a person... - BillyGoat, 2016-10-12, 06:46
- Ill admit -
Mark,
2016-10-11, 16:06
- Good stuff -
Greg,
2016-10-11, 18:47
- There's a bunch of really good football players on this team -
Jeremy (WeIsND),
2016-10-11, 19:48
- Good point, and I could see that point of view from JS. -
Greg,
2016-10-12, 07:56
- Good point, and I could see that point of view from JS.
- There's a bunch of really good football players on this team -
Jeremy (WeIsND),
2016-10-11, 19:48
- Good stuff -
Greg,
2016-10-11, 18:47
- Some people apparently want to go to prom with their coach. -
KGB,
2016-10-11, 12:21
- Agreed, and I don't need a mea culpa from Kelly - HCE, 2016-10-11, 12:57
- He has a fine reputation in town. Nobody has a bad thing to -
Buck Mulligan,
2016-10-11, 12:18
- Some day, I want to work for 7/11's marketing department -
Coach Gillespie,
2016-10-11, 12:56
- I am not familiar with the Davie story--care to elaborate? -
Jim (OFD),
2016-10-12, 06:32
- I don't eat at 7/11. But I would, once, if you did that. -
Greg,
2016-10-11, 13:01
- I am not familiar with the Davie story--care to elaborate?
- Some day, I want to work for 7/11's marketing department -
Coach Gillespie,
2016-10-11, 12:56
- It's human nature and applies beyond sports -
Flann,
2016-10-11, 10:37
- Especially these days -
Jack,
2016-10-11, 11:28
- He smells like sulfur -
Bill,
2016-10-11, 19:42
- He smells like sulfur
- good quote - Jay, 2016-10-11, 10:55
- Especially these days -
Jack,
2016-10-11, 11:28
- The more you demonize him, the easier it is to fire him - Domer99, 2016-10-11, 10:37
- Contrast that to Faust - Jeff (BGS), 2016-10-11, 10:36
- In MT's defense -
jcocktoaston,
2016-10-11, 10:28
- it's all good -
Jay,
2016-10-11, 10:30
- To qoute one of you gents from a blog past - jcocktoaston, 2016-10-11, 10:41
- it's all good -
Jay,
2016-10-11, 10:30
- Agreed. -
PMan,
2016-10-11, 10:20
- I don't think it has any real impact either - Jay, 2016-10-11, 10:29
- For the media at large, it's clickbait - Brendan, 2016-10-11, 10:20
- Brian Kelly burned my steak last night - Greg, 2016-10-11, 10:16
- the character assassination is what I don't get -
Jay,
2016-10-11, 10:09
- It's easy and steers the narrative. -
Chris,
2016-10-11, 09:51
- That "day one" comment: -
Brendan,
2016-10-11, 10:45
- And while hunting for presser updates...found this. -
Chris,
2016-10-11, 09:43
- I like that kid more every day -
Brendan,
2016-10-11, 10:22
- I like that kid more every day
- Also a great exchange about Kizer -
Brendan,
2016-10-11, 10:38