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It's human nature and applies beyond sports

by Flann, Central New Jersey, Tuesday, October 11, 2016, 10:37 (3080 days ago) @ Jay

It's not enough to be wrong or inept; the opponent, adversary or object of criticism is a bad person.

Michael Lewis has a quote in one of his books about how people look at success or lack of success in finance which I couldn't find, but I'll paraphrase: People confuse luck with skill and both with character.

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Buckle up! - Chris, 2016-10-11, 09:40
- Also a great exchange about Kizer - Brendan, 2016-10-11, 10:38
  - I love this. Good to see he still has a sense of humor - Turtlecrack, 2016-10-11, 10:48
  - I think banter is with The Observer's student reporter, too. - PMan, 2016-10-11, 10:40
    - She's new with Indy Star. Just looks like a student. - KA123, 2016-10-11, 15:56
      - Thanks. - PMan, 2016-10-11, 21:44
    - And some more humor at the end - Brendan, 2016-10-11, 10:46
- The full quote, as usual, has a different tone - Brendan, 2016-10-11, 10:29
- Honestly, I dont have time for those fans. - River, 2016-10-11, 09:54
  - The focus on yelling is just people trying to find - Turtlecrack, 2016-10-11, 10:45
  - Let Kelly be Kelly - Greg, 2016-10-11, 09:58
- his whole presser has been a mea culpa - Jay, 2016-10-11, 09:46
  - That "day one" comment: - Brendan, 2016-10-11, 10:45
    - We have a complete dearth of senior leadership - CK08, 2016-10-11, 10:51
      - ND's 2016 team experience - Mark, 2016-10-11, 11:52
        
        I don't know about comparing to past teams - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2016-10-11, 12:16
        
        I believe Smythe has a fifth year - CW (Rakes), 2016-10-11, 12:18
        
        Looks like that's right - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2016-10-11, 12:20
  - From an interested fan/alum perspective... - PMan, 2016-10-11, 09:52
    - the character assassination is what I don't get - Jay, 2016-10-11, 10:09
      - I'm just reading this thread now.... - MTIrish, 2016-10-12, 13:35
      - Keep in mind that parts of our fan base - Bill, 2016-10-12, 07:13
      - I understand it. - Buffalo, 2016-10-12, 05:51
        
        I actually can't understand Declan Sullivan as an excuse. - KGB, 2016-10-12, 06:19
        
        That whole saga is disappointing - Domer99, 2016-10-12, 12:25
        
        Exactly. - KGB, 2016-10-12, 13:55
        
        for some, the character assassination predates his hiring - Jay, 2016-10-12, 06:58
        
        And it's not really about him - Greg, 2016-10-12, 07:56
        
        There's of course the 'ND Football Ego Brigade' - Mike (bart), 2016-10-12, 07:43
        
        I've always been fascinated by the paradox - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2016-10-12, 08:44
        
        Eh, people do that about their country, their church - Flann, 2016-10-12, 10:04
        
        I certainly get that - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2016-10-12, 10:16
        
        Like the complaints about the administration's "greed". - KGB, 2016-10-12, 09:11
        
        I think there's a little bit of a twist with technology - Domer99, 2016-10-12, 12:00
        
        Reminds me of an Al Franken quote. - Kevin, 2016-10-12, 09:24
        
        Quick poll: do you love ND? - Mike (bart), 2016-10-12, 09:32
        
        I love Notre Dame like a girlfriend. - Kevin, 2016-10-12, 09:46
        
        do you have these riffs in a library in your brain - Mike (bart), 2016-10-12, 09:50
        
        The latter. - Kevin, 2016-10-12, 09:54
        
        +/- of the digital era - Mike (bart), 2016-10-12, 10:01
        
        That's a really complicated question - Greg, 2016-10-12, 09:46
        
        so, bear with me on an idea here re: ND as "special" - Mike (bart), 2016-10-12, 09:57
        
        I think it's special - Coach Gillespie, 2016-10-12, 13:07
        
        That's pretty well said and I agree. - Domer99, 2016-10-12, 14:21
        
        yeah, but you were "somebody" - Mike (bart), 2016-10-12, 13:28
        
        So you're telling me - Coach Gillespie, 2016-10-12, 13:42
        
        The magic thing is kind of self-perpetuating at this point, - LT, 2016-10-12, 12:24
        
        I think your third paragraph gets to it exactly - Mike (bart), 2016-10-12, 12:38
        
        I think you are conflating some things - Domer99, 2016-10-12, 12:18
        
        Mostly just a football fan now. The lack of humility and - Buck Mulligan, 2016-10-12, 12:05
        
        for my part - Jay, 2016-10-12, 11:54
        
        I have no problem with that distinction - Greg, 2016-10-12, 10:11
        
        I don't have much of an opinion about either thing - Mike (bart), 2016-10-12, 09:18
        
        Maybe there's a difference - Buffalo, 2016-10-12, 06:45
        
        some experience in industrial safety - Jay, 2016-10-12, 07:19
        
        a bit more - Jay, 2016-10-12, 07:28
        
        I agree that those are some of the reasons given - Jay, 2016-10-12, 06:09
      - There's been an element that's hated him from the start - Coach Gillespie, 2016-10-11, 11:31
        
        If you assume the very worst about Kelly as a person... - BillyGoat, 2016-10-12, 06:46
        
        Ill admit - Mark, 2016-10-11, 16:06
        
        Good stuff - Greg, 2016-10-11, 18:47
        
        There's a bunch of really good football players on this team - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2016-10-11, 19:48
        
        Good point, and I could see that point of view from JS. - Greg, 2016-10-12, 07:56
        
        Some people apparently want to go to prom with their coach. - KGB, 2016-10-11, 12:21
        
        Agreed, and I don't need a mea culpa from Kelly - HCE, 2016-10-11, 12:57
        
        He has a fine reputation in town. Nobody has a bad thing to - Buck Mulligan, 2016-10-11, 12:18
        
        Some day, I want to work for 7/11's marketing department - Coach Gillespie, 2016-10-11, 12:56
        
        I am not familiar with the Davie story--care to elaborate? - Jim (OFD), 2016-10-12, 06:32
        
        I don't eat at 7/11. But I would, once, if you did that. - Greg, 2016-10-11, 13:01
      - It's human nature and applies beyond sports - Flann, 2016-10-11, 10:37
        
        Especially these days - Jack, 2016-10-11, 11:28
        
        He smells like sulfur - Bill, 2016-10-11, 19:42
        
        good quote - Jay, 2016-10-11, 10:55
      - The more you demonize him, the easier it is to fire him - Domer99, 2016-10-11, 10:37
      - Contrast that to Faust - Jeff (BGS), 2016-10-11, 10:36
      - In MT's defense - jcocktoaston, 2016-10-11, 10:28
        
        it's all good - Jay, 2016-10-11, 10:30
        
        To qoute one of you gents from a blog past - jcocktoaston, 2016-10-11, 10:41
      - Agreed. - PMan, 2016-10-11, 10:20
        
        I don't think it has any real impact either - Jay, 2016-10-11, 10:29
      - For the media at large, it's clickbait - Brendan, 2016-10-11, 10:20
      - Brian Kelly burned my steak last night - Greg, 2016-10-11, 10:16
  - It's easy and steers the narrative. - Chris, 2016-10-11, 09:51
- And while hunting for presser updates...found this. - Chris, 2016-10-11, 09:43
  - I like that kid more every day - Brendan, 2016-10-11, 10:22

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