I'm not arguing that it was.

by domer.mq , Monday, April 18, 2011, 10:38 (5547 days ago) @ JRT

I doubt decision makers knew of the downgrade. Doubt they knew of an existing warning too.

The procedures should have existed to make sure the decision makers weren't left up to their own, probably very brief scans of weather.com to make decisions like this.

I really only bring up the downgrade because people are arguing that "anyone" should have "known" that it was a dangerous situation. Why? What if they had been actively looking at weather.com and had seen that the warning had been downgraded. Let's say it had been downgraded, and the predictions were for sustained winds of 20mph and gusts up to 25. Is that where the line of "should have known it's too dangerous" is crossed? Why?

Folksy common knowledge of the weather makes for crap indictments.

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I'm interested in confirming or refuting (edit) - Jay, 2011-04-18, 09:24
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        I think a real issue is that a decision was left up to... - domer.mq, 2011-04-18, 10:31
        
        It wasn't an informed delegation. - JRT, 2011-04-18, 10:33
        
        I'm not arguing that it was. - domer.mq, 2011-04-18, 10:38
        
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  - Collins, Russ, and Klunder all checked the wind - Jay, 2011-04-18, 09:57
    - I check weather.com, and find their "alerts" easily ignored - domer.mq, 2011-04-18, 10:11
      - Would you ignore a high wind warning - Kevin, 2011-04-18, 10:23
        
        Now, no. - JRT, 2011-04-18, 10:31
        
        If I'm aware of it, probably not. - domer.mq, 2011-04-18, 10:28
        
        I've made the same mistakes, too - HumanRobot, 2011-04-18, 11:17
        
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I'm not arguing that it was.