I'm interested in confirming or refuting (edit)
the idea that this is a collective responsibility, not an individual one.
I have seen a lot of industrial accidents in my line of work over the years. Sometimes there was someone fucking around, or not following instructions, or drunk, or willfully negligent (despite proper training and solid procedures). Those people usually hang, if not injure or kill themselves or others.
In one case, a guy just ignored his pre-op checklist and activated a flow without checking to see if there were any stop-work alerts. Turns out there were two welders inside the pipe at the time. They were lucky to live. Another case involved a guy so lazy he didn't bother to double-check his paper work, and ending up sending five tons of hazardous waste to a public landfill. That guy went to jail.
In both those cases the procedures were crystal clear and the training was completed and certified. In both cases an individual truly fucked up.
Most of the time, however, the point of failure is more nebulous, and can't be tracked down to a single person. The operators were doing everything according to their procedures, but the procedures were outdated. Or there was a situation not covered in the procedures, and nobody knew how to react. Or there was equipment failure. Or poor or muddled communication resulting in some kind of mishap, despite a commitment to safety on the ground. Despite sometimes grave (and mortal) consequences, the cause cannot be traced to a single point of failure. This is much more common. And it is not to absolve the organization of responsibility, but to reflect the truth of the matter: yes, oftentimes things were preventable, and will absolutely require an organizational review, response, practical changes, and depending on the outcome, compensation. But pinning the blame on one person would not only be not truthful, but also not helpful to the rest of the organization in assessing the cause and preventing the next accident.
It can be dangerous for the organization to simplify it. If people think it's because of one person's actions, they're less liable to check themselves. "Well, the reason that happened is because Joe is a screwup -- that would never happen to me." That's a horrible dynamic to occur, for the entire organization.
Complete thread:
- I'm interested in confirming or refuting (edit) -
Jay,
2011-04-18, 09:24
- Read the section in "Outliers" about airplane crashes -
Dylan,
2011-04-18, 10:39
- That's an interesting point re: unequal power relationships. -
KGB,
2011-04-18, 14:15
- Oh, ND is not at all unique in that regard -
Dylan,
2011-04-18, 14:21
- But, I mean, they're still going to fire someone, right?
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KGB,
2011-04-18, 15:08
- But, I mean, they're still going to fire someone, right?
- some companies use "Stop Work" cards - Jay, 2011-04-18, 14:18
- Oh, ND is not at all unique in that regard -
Dylan,
2011-04-18, 14:21
- And it could have been even more out-of-whack in football -
Kevin,
2011-04-18, 11:10
- I guess it's simpler to believe someone ordered a Code Red -
Jay,
2011-04-18, 11:25
- That hasn't stopped certain blogs -
Chris (HCC),
2011-04-18, 21:24
- do you have a link to the With Leather post?
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Jay,
2011-04-19, 07:49
- Here ya go - Chris (HCC), 2011-04-19, 08:30
- do you have a link to the With Leather post?
- That hasn't stopped certain blogs -
Chris (HCC),
2011-04-18, 21:24
- I guess it's simpler to believe someone ordered a Code Red -
Jay,
2011-04-18, 11:25
- That's an interesting point re: unequal power relationships. -
KGB,
2011-04-18, 14:15
- Check out The Checklist Manifesto -
Jeff (BGS),
2011-04-18, 10:22
- yep - Jay, 2011-04-18, 10:34
- There's one thing I'll definitely refute... -
domer.mq,
2011-04-18, 09:43
- Your first linked article -
JRT,
2011-04-18, 10:14
- Sure, but... -
domer.mq,
2011-04-18, 10:26
- Carrying this over from another front. -
JRT,
2011-04-18, 10:29
- I think a real issue is that a decision was left up to... -
domer.mq,
2011-04-18, 10:31
- It wasn't an informed delegation. -
JRT,
2011-04-18, 10:33
- I'm not arguing that it was. -
domer.mq,
2011-04-18, 10:38
- Well, if you were anywhere in the upper midwest that day... -
KGB,
2011-04-18, 10:52
- John Walters tweeted earlier... - domer.mq, 2011-04-18, 10:56
- Well, if you were anywhere in the upper midwest that day... -
KGB,
2011-04-18, 10:52
- I'm not arguing that it was. -
domer.mq,
2011-04-18, 10:38
- It wasn't an informed delegation. -
JRT,
2011-04-18, 10:33
- I think a real issue is that a decision was left up to... -
domer.mq,
2011-04-18, 10:31
- Carrying this over from another front. -
JRT,
2011-04-18, 10:29
- Sure, but... -
domer.mq,
2011-04-18, 10:26
- Collins, Russ, and Klunder all checked the wind -
Jay,
2011-04-18, 09:57
- I check weather.com, and find their "alerts" easily ignored -
domer.mq,
2011-04-18, 10:11
- Would you ignore a high wind warning -
Kevin,
2011-04-18, 10:23
- Now, no. - JRT, 2011-04-18, 10:31
- If I'm aware of it, probably not. -
domer.mq,
2011-04-18, 10:28
- I've made the same mistakes, too -
HumanRobot,
2011-04-18, 11:17
- I had an issue with my alignment a few months ago. - Kevin, 2011-04-18, 11:22
- I've made the same mistakes, too -
HumanRobot,
2011-04-18, 11:17
- Would you ignore a high wind warning -
Kevin,
2011-04-18, 10:23
- I check weather.com, and find their "alerts" easily ignored -
domer.mq,
2011-04-18, 10:11
- Have I ever mentioned how much I hate headline writers? - Chris (HCC), 2011-04-18, 09:49
- Your first linked article -
JRT,
2011-04-18, 10:14
- Would this qualify as the Swiss Cheese Model? -
CW (Rakes),
2011-04-18, 09:30
- could be -
Jay,
2011-04-18, 09:38
- if there was a single point of failure... - HumanRobot, 2011-04-18, 10:19
- could be -
Jay,
2011-04-18, 09:38
- Read the section in "Outliers" about airplane crashes -
Dylan,
2011-04-18, 10:39