Well, there's the rub

by crazychester , Chicago, Tuesday, April 15, 2014, 08:18 (3686 days ago) @ Mike (bart)

governmental bloat already has sales taxes at the breaking point.

I just don't trust any taxing body in the state.

I will add that a lot of the stuff in here particularly some of the stuff on the far south side is a useless sop to the unions.

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OT: Hey Chicago people - Mike (bart), 2014-04-15, 07:21
- Extend the blue line and give the West burbs - Frank, 2014-04-15, 15:03
- So, what is your skin in this game? - Jeff (BGS), 2014-04-15, 13:57
  - I thought he was Rahm - Jay, 2014-04-15, 15:17
  - TBD - Mike (bart), 2014-04-15, 14:22
    - One thing I noticed - crazychester, 2014-04-15, 15:12
      - That's a really good point - Mike (bart), 2014-04-15, 18:51
- Double OT: The need for an NJ-to-LI expressway - Ken Fowler, 2014-04-15, 12:36
  - People drive through Manhattan? - CK08, 2014-04-15, 13:25
    - Generally, taking the RFK to Harlem River Drive is faster - Ken Fowler, 2014-04-15, 13:36
  - F that. I don't want more people from LI down the shore - PootND, 2014-04-15, 13:12
    - The Situation Toll Way - Tim, 2014-04-15, 13:25
- Incredibly overdue - Jack, 2014-04-15, 11:26
- google the Crosstown Expressway - Jay, 2014-04-15, 08:59
  - Jus take da Rine to Halsted over dare - Dylan, 2014-04-15, 09:55
  - The crosstown should have been built - crazychester, 2014-04-15, 09:26
    - I lived in Evanston for 2 years - PBurns, 2014-04-15, 11:21
      - ....because it took that long to get back home to the city? - MattG, 2014-04-15, 12:41
    - Nine times more than I have - Jack, 2014-04-15, 11:06
      - I walked there once from Wicker Park - Mike (bart), 2014-04-15, 11:13
        
        Yep, that walk killed a lot of people - Jack, 2014-04-15, 13:05
  - The woman who got the ball rolling on this Transit Future - Mike (bart), 2014-04-15, 09:05
    - I remember the Reader did a historical piece on the proposal - Jay, 2014-04-15, 09:07
      - The Reader often overstates things - crazychester, 2014-04-15, 09:44
        
        Indeed. Most of Cicero is hideous - Jack, 2014-04-15, 11:10
        
        iirc, one of the variations was going to be "trucks only" - Jay, 2014-04-15, 10:07
        
        Now we have the Illiana Expressway - Mike (bart), 2014-04-15, 10:14
- Just connect Division (Blue) to North & Clybourn (Red/Brown) - MattG, 2014-04-15, 08:45
  - Digging is prohibitively expensive - Mike (bart), 2014-04-15, 08:57
    - I've been taking the Green Line a fair amount to Oak Park - crazychester, 2014-04-15, 09:35
      - It really is incredible - Mike (bart), 2014-04-15, 09:55
        
        Not at all - crazychester, 2014-04-15, 10:02
        
        Englewood in particular is an interesting case to me - Mike (bart), 2014-04-15, 10:12
        
        A lot has to infill before that happens - crazychester, 2014-04-15, 10:26
- I've seen the Ashland bus lanes idea before - Jeff (BGS), 2014-04-15, 08:45
  - The Ashland BRT controversy is super interesitng - Mike (bart), 2014-04-15, 08:56
    - Lots of resistance to this in the Bucktown leadership. - Tim, 2014-04-15, 09:24
      - I think Pawar is a supporter in the 47th ward - Jeff (BGS), 2014-04-15, 09:37
        
        The East Village Neighborhood Association - Mike (bart), 2014-04-15, 10:16
        
        I know you like Toni Preckwinkle - crazychester, 2014-04-15, 10:28
        
        Just as a point of clarification, I'm not in her corner - Mike (bart), 2014-04-15, 10:37
    - The numbers don't pass a gut check with me - Jeff (BGS), 2014-04-15, 09:21
      - Yeah I'm not comfortable picking a dog in the fight - Mike (bart), 2014-04-15, 10:05
        
        And the replacement people won't have cars! - Jeff (BGS), 2014-04-15, 10:31
        
        I think Divvy can be considered a success so far - crazychester, 2014-04-15, 10:35
        
        It is cheap (IMO) and excellent. I use it frequently. - Tim, 2014-04-15, 10:53
        
        I'm starting to see them already this spring - Jeff (BGS), 2014-04-15, 11:16
        
        Mostly to Jeff's point, but - Mike (bart), 2014-04-15, 10:47
        
        This is what bother's me about these arguments - Jeff (BGS), 2014-04-15, 11:29
        
        Right now that's not happening - Mike (bart), 2014-04-15, 11:38
        
        "high-income, urban-focused young people" - Jeff (BGS), 2014-04-15, 12:18
        
        That's not entirely true anymore - crazychester, 2014-04-15, 12:29
        
        Yep - Mike (bart), 2014-04-15, 12:38
        
        How many people take public transportation to Mariano's? - Jeff (BGS), 2014-04-15, 13:46
        
        Probably not many, but that's a different question - Mike (bart), 2014-04-15, 14:26
        
        Hey...... - crazychester, 2014-04-15, 15:16
        
        Another way is to reduce the number of officers on patrol - Tim, 2014-04-15, 15:01
        
        The Bloomingdale Trail is going to be huge - crazychester, 2014-04-15, 15:17
        
        Yeah. Tim, you've basically got a printing press for money - Mike (bart), 2014-04-15, 18:53
    - Left turns can be handled, too - CK08, 2014-04-15, 09:15
      - They'll be illegal in most places - Jeff (BGS), 2014-04-15, 09:26
- The Brown Line extension to the Blue Line - crazychester, 2014-04-15, 08:01
  - Some thoughts/notes on sequencing - Mike (bart), 2014-04-15, 08:13
    - Well, there's the rub - crazychester, 2014-04-15, 08:18
      - Indulge me on a few of your points - Mike (bart), 2014-04-15, 08:43
        
        I said far South Side - crazychester, 2014-04-15, 09:23
        
        Scattered rejoinders - Mike (bart), 2014-04-15, 09:50
  - Sort of related - Block 37 superstation - Rob (Rakes of Mallow), 2014-04-15, 08:08
    - Block 37's a vortex unto itself - Mike (bart), 2014-04-15, 08:21
- It just makes me jealous... - CK08, 2014-04-15, 07:48
  - Sigh. Yeah. That ship sailed decades ago in Detroit though. - PAK, 2014-04-15, 07:57
    - If everything that has been proposed happens - CK08, 2014-04-15, 08:08
      - Here's the issue: I live at Maple and Crooks. Central OC. - PAK, 2014-04-15, 08:14
        
        Isn't that also true for most suburbs of anywhere? - CK08, 2014-04-15, 08:24
        
        I really think a lot of suburban mass transit is - crazychester, 2014-04-15, 08:29
        
        Commuter rail and ways to get to commuter rail - CK08, 2014-04-15, 08:32
        
        I agree with crazychester on this - Mike (bart), 2014-04-15, 08:47
        
        Suburbs love bike paths - CK08, 2014-04-15, 08:49
- That web site did not work for me on Firefox. - Ken Fowler, 2014-04-15, 07:32
  - Using the scrollwheel works fine in FF for me. - PAK, 2014-04-15, 07:53
  - Try down arrow key rather than clicking the arrow button. - Savage, 2014-04-15, 07:41
    - Sorry, they've got a static page, too - Mike (bart), 2014-04-15, 07:48

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