Agreed, but 1 isn't any different now than it ever was at ND

by Jack , Friday, June 12, 2015, 10:49 (3621 days ago) @ HumanRobot
edited by Jack, Friday, June 12, 2015, 11:00

We had players who cheated, too, way back in the 70's. I roomed with one. He cheated so much he bragged about it. And he got kicked out after freshman year before ever playing a down. I will also say that even if this guy was as honest as the day as long, he wouldn't have made it at ND anyway. He wasn't exactly with it academically and he smoked pot 5 times a day (we wondered who took his SATs for him).

Also, think of all the academic casualties in the Holtz years. Jason Cegielski. Jim Dadiotis. Norm Balentine. Boo Williams. Thomas Knight. Steve Misetic. And that's just off the top of my head. There were a lot more than just them.

Point being, they ARE busy, absolutely, but this isn't new!

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what's your take on Kelly's "at risk" commentary - Jay, 2015-06-12, 09:56
- He had to do this in a public setting - Jim (fisherj08), 2015-06-12, 11:53
- I have one small thought to add - Greg, 2015-06-12, 11:33
  - that's definitely in play - HumanRobot, 2015-06-12, 11:51
    - Sorry. I wasn't clear. - Greg, 2015-06-12, 12:00
      - I see what you're saying now - HumanRobot, 2015-06-12, 12:08
- "Force them into finding shortcuts" bothers me - HCE, 2015-06-12, 11:02
  - Agreed. They are separate issues. - Coach Gillespie, 2015-06-12, 13:52
  - good point - Jay, 2015-06-12, 11:17
- Only suggestion would be to use a different term - Ken Fowler, 2015-06-12, 10:29
  - Agree. I wish he had worded it differently. - NDinVA, 2015-06-12, 10:47
    - And that overshadows the primary point - Domer99, 2015-06-12, 11:30
    - Those non-ND fans have been saying such things for decades - Jack, 2015-06-12, 11:04
      - I know, but I don't like that our coach gave them more ammo. - NDinVA, 2015-06-12, 11:16
        
        Like he hasn't before? - Jack, 2015-06-12, 13:58
  - yep, I don't think he's complaining. - Jay, 2015-06-12, 10:35
- There's a couple issues here - HumanRobot, 2015-06-12, 10:23
  - The biggest issue, probably for me, is airing this publicly - Domer99, 2015-06-12, 11:19
    - ESPN just rehashed Eric Hansen in the SBT - Jack, 2015-06-12, 14:01
      - That's the comical thing about it - Domer99, 2015-06-12, 16:12
  - I assume Stanford's "cooling glove" also helps with - BillyGoat, 2015-06-12, 11:06
  - Agreed, but 1 isn't any different now than it ever was at ND - Jack, 2015-06-12, 10:49
  - interesting post. makes sense, given that - Jay, 2015-06-12, 10:38
    - also, there are some real doozies in that thread - Jay, 2015-06-12, 10:44
      - Is it ever that surprising? - Domer99, 2015-06-12, 11:26
- Less bullshit = better - Dylan, 2015-06-12, 10:00
  - "at risk" is such a loaded term - Jay, 2015-06-12, 10:12
    - They are at risk of becoming ineligible - Dylan, 2015-06-12, 11:02
      - I don't care that he said it either - Jay, 2015-06-12, 11:10
    - You have to look at that with KeiVarae Russell in mind. - Bill, 2015-06-12, 10:35
      - I am talking about the typical use of the term "at risk" - Jay, 2015-06-12, 10:48
        
        I don't think anybody took it in that context. - Bill, 2015-06-12, 10:59
        
        I did. - PMan, 2015-06-12, 13:37
        
        well, I did - Jay, 2015-06-12, 11:01
        
        I knew what he was saying, but that connotation definitely - Ken Fowler, 2015-06-12, 11:05
    - He's not dumb - JRT, 2015-06-12, 10:30
    - I think this is exactly right. It's just a term a bit out of - BillyGoat, 2015-06-12, 10:20
- Some things are best left unsaid? - River, 2015-06-12, 09:58
  - would have been better if he had completed the thought - Jay, 2015-06-12, 10:08
    - Agreed. - River, 2015-06-12, 10:18

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Agreed, but 1 isn't any different now than it ever was at ND