There's a couple issues here

by HumanRobot , Cybertron, Friday, June 12, 2015, 10:23 (3974 days ago) @ Jay

I have to drive by on a few of them since I'm busy today, but in all honesty I think the cheating issue has less to do with kids being "at risk" or "unable to hack it academically at ND" than it does with them

1) They're really fucking busy
2) ND has a pretty different structure than other universities. Even at Stanford you can get hidden in a high volume of "group work" courses (see: http://ndnation.com/boards/showpost.php?b=football;pid=40777;d=this)

Trust me when I say that #1 is an issue, even for athletes in other programs. Golson and the Frozen 5 got busted because alerts of their cheating got raised in fairly high profile ways. There are many other students -- athletes and not -- that get away with cheating, even if an instructor is aware of it.

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what's your take on Kelly's "at risk" commentary - Jay, 2015-06-12, 09:56
- He had to do this in a public setting - Jim (fisherj08), 2015-06-12, 11:53
- I have one small thought to add - Greg, 2015-06-12, 11:33
  - that's definitely in play - HumanRobot, 2015-06-12, 11:51
    - Sorry. I wasn't clear. - Greg, 2015-06-12, 12:00
      - I see what you're saying now - HumanRobot, 2015-06-12, 12:08
- "Force them into finding shortcuts" bothers me - HCE, 2015-06-12, 11:02
  - Agreed. They are separate issues. - Coach Gillespie, 2015-06-12, 13:52
  - good point - Jay, 2015-06-12, 11:17
- Only suggestion would be to use a different term - Ken Fowler, 2015-06-12, 10:29
  - Agree. I wish he had worded it differently. - NDinVA, 2015-06-12, 10:47
    - And that overshadows the primary point - Domer99, 2015-06-12, 11:30
    - Those non-ND fans have been saying such things for decades - Jack, 2015-06-12, 11:04
      - I know, but I don't like that our coach gave them more ammo. - NDinVA, 2015-06-12, 11:16
        
        Like he hasn't before? - Jack, 2015-06-12, 13:58
  - yep, I don't think he's complaining. - Jay, 2015-06-12, 10:35
- There's a couple issues here - HumanRobot, 2015-06-12, 10:23
  - The biggest issue, probably for me, is airing this publicly - Domer99, 2015-06-12, 11:19
    - ESPN just rehashed Eric Hansen in the SBT - Jack, 2015-06-12, 14:01
      - That's the comical thing about it - Domer99, 2015-06-12, 16:12
  - I assume Stanford's "cooling glove" also helps with - BillyGoat, 2015-06-12, 11:06
  - Agreed, but 1 isn't any different now than it ever was at ND - Jack, 2015-06-12, 10:49
  - interesting post. makes sense, given that - Jay, 2015-06-12, 10:38
    - also, there are some real doozies in that thread - Jay, 2015-06-12, 10:44
      - Is it ever that surprising? - Domer99, 2015-06-12, 11:26
- Less bullshit = better - Dylan, 2015-06-12, 10:00
  - "at risk" is such a loaded term - Jay, 2015-06-12, 10:12
    - They are at risk of becoming ineligible - Dylan, 2015-06-12, 11:02
      - I don't care that he said it either - Jay, 2015-06-12, 11:10
    - You have to look at that with KeiVarae Russell in mind. - Bill, 2015-06-12, 10:35
      - I am talking about the typical use of the term "at risk" - Jay, 2015-06-12, 10:48
        
        I don't think anybody took it in that context. - Bill, 2015-06-12, 10:59
        
        I did. - PMan, 2015-06-12, 13:37
        
        well, I did - Jay, 2015-06-12, 11:01
        
        I knew what he was saying, but that connotation definitely - Ken Fowler, 2015-06-12, 11:05
    - He's not dumb - JRT, 2015-06-12, 10:30
    - I think this is exactly right. It's just a term a bit out of - BillyGoat, 2015-06-12, 10:20
- Some things are best left unsaid? - River, 2015-06-12, 09:58
  - would have been better if he had completed the thought - Jay, 2015-06-12, 10:08
    - Agreed. - River, 2015-06-12, 10:18

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There's a couple issues here