I don't intend to say to anyone
by Regular Joseph 
, Thursday, November 01, 2018, 11:28 (2708 days ago) @ Mike (bart)
"you don't comprehend your own interests and values". I'm hopeful about face to face interaction and I think people are capable of reflection and growth. I guess I am saying the mob is basically valueless.
I just don't think most people think or reflect if left to their own devices. I expect my friends and family to rise to this level, and even then I'm often disappointed. History is littered with examples of the depravity of the mob. The cynical manipulation of it by Trump and the Republican party is something we've seen in living memory. I think the most effective solutions are going to address the structural problem, either by reclaiming narrative space or constructing better counter-narratives and giving the mob another direction to run. It's hard to be MLK, but I think it's accurate to say that the media and the Democrats are pretty disappointingly bad.
The campaign ad above is truly disgusting. The problem is that it, apparently, works. I guess I've got a dividing line in my head between people I meet and the mass of humanity. Maybe it seems false, but if we're dealing with people who adopt these ideas after careful reflection then we really are screwed.
Complete thread:
- Umberto Eco on fascism -
Jay,
2018-10-31, 08:03
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- Were Trump articulate and speaking German tonight... - domer.mq, 2018-11-01, 18:00
- This is pretty stunning. -
domer.mq,
2018-11-01, 07:29
- turns out the guy was released by Arpaio - Jay, 2018-11-02, 08:02
- Sticks and stones may break my bones, - ReginaldVelJohnson, 2018-11-01, 14:22
- Willie Horton ad updated to the 21st century - hobbs, 2018-11-01, 07:52
- First, thanks Jay for posting a great article. -
Regular Joseph,
2018-10-31, 16:53
- I feel like this is too structural -
Mike (bart),
2018-11-01, 07:03
- I don't intend to say to anyone -
Regular Joseph,
2018-11-01, 11:28
- What if people do think and reflect? -
Mike (bart),
2018-11-01, 13:57
- i’ve been thinking about this challenge -
Regular Joseph,
2018-11-03, 08:54
- well - Regular Joseph, 2018-11-03, 09:59
- i’ve been thinking about this challenge -
Regular Joseph,
2018-11-03, 08:54
- What if people do think and reflect? -
Mike (bart),
2018-11-01, 13:57
- I don't intend to say to anyone -
Regular Joseph,
2018-11-01, 11:28
- Stellar
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MattG,
2018-10-31, 20:10
- Thoughtful response. - PMan, 2018-10-31, 17:34
- I feel like this is too structural -
Mike (bart),
2018-11-01, 07:03
- Thanks. Will definitely read, & will offer a pop culture rec - Albie, 2018-10-31, 14:13
- Have you all read the Hamilton book? - Grantland, 2018-10-31, 11:05
- Thanks for sharing. Excellent and very relevant. -
oviedoirish,
2018-10-31, 10:53
- "Mussolini did not have any philosophy:" - domer.mq, 2018-10-31, 09:52
- That is a terrific article - and a topical addendum -
Jack,
2018-10-31, 09:19
- Violet Gibson - Bryan (IrishCavan), 2018-10-31, 10:11
- Eco's theories have proven shockingly prescient -
HCE,
2018-10-31, 08:57
- I see Trumpism checking a lot of his boxes -
Jay,
2018-10-31, 09:00
- Eco's last two novels also dug into Trumpist themes - HCE, 2018-10-31, 11:15
- 3-8, 10, and 14 seem particularly relevant -
CK08,
2018-10-31, 09:15
- I see Trumpism checking a lot of his boxes -
Jay,
2018-10-31, 09:00
- I'm waiting for Dan Brown's simpler and shorter version -
Greg,
2018-10-31, 08:28
- if you're short on time, skim about halfway down -
Jay,
2018-10-31, 08:53
- Thanks, bud. A thought -
Greg,
2018-10-31, 09:58
- hmmmm.... - Domer99, 2018-11-01, 07:21
- my frustration with the frustrated middle -
HumanRobot,
2018-10-31, 11:23
- The alienated and frustrated middle class - nedhead, 2018-10-31, 15:43
- The rise in middle class inequality -
Jim (fisherj08),
2018-10-31, 10:33
- The formula is not simple - Mark, 2018-10-31, 10:46
- How is that viewpoint, though... -
domer.mq,
2018-10-31, 10:07
- I think it comes down to... -
Greg,
2018-10-31, 10:14
- On the contrary, we've been far too tolerant of bigotry -
HCE,
2018-10-31, 13:18
- Some of them are pretty radical. -
Savage,
2018-10-31, 13:38
- Not one thing in that long list is "mainstream" -
Jack,
2018-10-31, 16:40
- To all: Some of it is certainly mainstream. -
Savage,
2018-10-31, 17:18
- Those last 2 aren't mainstream either - Jack, 2018-11-01, 07:48
- As a Leftist -
HumanRobot,
2018-10-31, 17:43
- Heh, thanks :) - Savage, 2018-10-31, 19:00
- My 4yo was Black Panther tonight. -
domer.mq,
2018-10-31, 17:51
- Awesome! - Savage, 2018-10-31, 18:59
- I'm always leery about people who capitalize "the Left". -
Bill,
2018-10-31, 17:27
- I was trying not to use Democrats. -
Savage,
2018-10-31, 18:52
- Best not to characterize. - Bill, 2018-10-31, 19:19
- I was trying not to use Democrats. -
Savage,
2018-10-31, 18:52
- To all: Some of it is certainly mainstream. -
Savage,
2018-10-31, 17:18
- I don't see anything very 'mainstream' there. -
Bill,
2018-10-31, 16:02
- Some of that is pretty crazy - CK08, 2018-10-31, 15:57
- There’s a line here somewhere - Jim (fisherj08), 2018-10-31, 13:48
- Not one thing in that long list is "mainstream" -
Jack,
2018-10-31, 16:40
- The whole Megyn Kelly fiasco was a lot of fun - Jim (fisherj08), 2018-10-31, 13:22
- Some of them are pretty radical. -
Savage,
2018-10-31, 13:38
- Where are you seeing the constant put-downs of the -
Bill,
2018-10-31, 12:29
- Erm, this thread? -
OGerry,
2018-10-31, 13:43
- While I appreciate the comment -
Bill,
2018-10-31, 13:45
- Funny. It's some kind of "reverse dogwhistle". -
Savage,
2018-10-31, 13:47
- Let's try to add some clarity -
Mike (bart),
2018-10-31, 14:09
- Maybe it's more of an anti-Trump echo chamber -
Jack,
2018-10-31, 16:35
- That's how I see it. - domer.mq, 2018-10-31, 18:16
- More irksome than surly. -
OGerry,
2018-10-31, 15:30
- Maybe it's more of an anti-Trump echo chamber -
Jack,
2018-10-31, 16:35
- Let's try to add some clarity -
Mike (bart),
2018-10-31, 14:09
- Funny. It's some kind of "reverse dogwhistle".
- While I appreciate the comment -
Bill,
2018-10-31, 13:45
- Erm, this thread? -
OGerry,
2018-10-31, 13:43
- How up-to-the-minute are we talking? -
domer.mq,
2018-10-31, 10:34
- It seems to me that there are three groups of people -
CK08,
2018-10-31, 12:10
- I think you're probably onto something. -
domer.mq,
2018-10-31, 12:25
- More specific than that -
CK08,
2018-10-31, 12:41
- OK, I get that, but... -
domer.mq,
2018-10-31, 12:46
- We need to do something -
CK08,
2018-10-31, 12:52
- What happens when you provide that and people -
ReginaldVelJohnson,
2018-10-31, 13:31
- Good article - Domer99, 2018-11-01, 08:22
- We have public education. -
domer.mq,
2018-10-31, 13:02
- The article I posted above gets to your point. -
ReginaldVelJohnson,
2018-10-31, 13:35
- I actually do hope some sort of remote work... - domer.mq, 2018-11-01, 09:10
- The article I posted above gets to your point. -
ReginaldVelJohnson,
2018-10-31, 13:35
- What happens when you provide that and people -
ReginaldVelJohnson,
2018-10-31, 13:31
- To follow up on myself... - domer.mq, 2018-10-31, 12:48
- We need to do something -
CK08,
2018-10-31, 12:52
- OK, I get that, but... -
domer.mq,
2018-10-31, 12:46
- More specific than that -
CK08,
2018-10-31, 12:41
- I think you're probably onto something. -
domer.mq,
2018-10-31, 12:25
- It seems to me that there are three groups of people -
CK08,
2018-10-31, 12:10
- Your obsession with those nasty "progressives" is noted -
Jim (fisherj08),
2018-10-31, 10:29
- How in God's green earth do you get that from his post? -
MTIrish,
2018-11-01, 08:20
- Thanks for proving the point -
Greg,
2018-10-31, 11:34
- I’d prefer people use the correct pronouns when referring -
Jim (fisherj08),
2018-10-31, 11:55
- To quote the great Ty Webb - jcocktoaston, 2018-11-01, 06:40
- I mean -
CW (Rakes),
2018-10-31, 11:51
- Do you want to stop racism? -
Greg,
2018-10-31, 12:10
- How would you propose... - domer.mq, 2018-10-31, 12:20
- Dude I like you a lot and think you're a great poster -
Mike (bart),
2018-10-31, 12:13
- Mike, I enjoy discussing things with you here -
Greg,
2018-10-31, 13:26
- lack of empathy is a serious charge -
Mike (bart),
2018-10-31, 14:03
- I could be wrong - HullieAndMikes, 2018-10-31, 16:37
- lack of empathy is a serious charge -
Mike (bart),
2018-10-31, 14:03
- Mike, I enjoy discussing things with you here -
Greg,
2018-10-31, 13:26
- Do you want to stop racism? -
Greg,
2018-10-31, 12:10
- You realize - Mike (bart), 2018-10-31, 11:39
- I’d prefer people use the correct pronouns when referring -
Jim (fisherj08),
2018-10-31, 11:55
- How in God's green earth do you get that from his post?
- On the contrary, we've been far too tolerant of bigotry -
HCE,
2018-10-31, 13:18
- I think it comes down to... -
Greg,
2018-10-31, 10:14
- Thanks, bud. A thought -
Greg,
2018-10-31, 09:58
- if you're short on time, skim about halfway down -
Jay,
2018-10-31, 08:53
- Robert Paxton's Anatomy of Fascism is a good book - HullieAndMikes, 2018-10-31, 08:22