The reparations paid would be obscene

by KGB, Belly o. the Beast, Friday, June 19, 2026, 11:17 (58 minutes ago) @ nedhead
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and none of this will hold anyway bc Israel has the ability to keep the situation aflame. Trump and Vance's public comments belittling and castigating them will merely compel Netanyahu to continue bombing to prove their agency & power and so we kick the can down the road.

Trump is not the least bit interested in peace or resolution. He is simply bored with this war, and the MOU he signed is the equivalent of him paying blood money to make a lawsuit go away. Make no mistake that he effectively washed his hands of the entire conflict in Versailles (dumbfuck misunderstands history yet again) and will blame everyone else, his own administration included, for any negative developments related to this going forward. "Not my problem", you can expect to hear him say often over the coming months (years?).

Mine. Yours. And everyone else's.

by Chris, Raleigh, NC, Friday, June 19, 2026, 10:10 (2 hours, 6 minutes ago) @ BillyGoat

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Me too.

by San Pedro @, More than 100 feet from Bob Davies, Friday, June 19, 2026, 09:15 (3 hours, 1 minutes ago) @ BillyGoat

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I'd like to know exactly WHOSE $300Billion that is.

by BillyGoat @, At Thanksgiving with Joe Bethersontin, Friday, June 19, 2026, 09:12 (3 hours, 3 minutes ago) @ San Pedro

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Some GOP nitwit used the term "Peace in our time"

by Jack @, Friday, June 19, 2026, 09:03 (3 hours, 12 minutes ago) @ San Pedro

I couldn't believe it, but there it was in a tweet.

Are these two paragraphs distinguishing energy v. weapons?

by Grantland, y'allywood, Friday, June 19, 2026, 06:16 (6 hours, 0 minutes ago) @ domer.mq

"The Islamic Republic of Iran reaffirms that it shall not procure or develop nuclear weapons. The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran have agreed to resolve the disposition of stockpile enriched material pursuant to a mechanism that will be mutually agreed upon in accordance with the schedule mentioned in paragraph seven, with the minimum methodology to be down blending on site under the supervision of the IAEA. The two parties also agreed to discuss the issue of enrichment and other mutually agreed matters related to the Islamic Republic of Iran’s nuclear needs, based on a satisfactory framework being agreed upon in the final deal. The final deal will confirm the provisions of this paragraph. The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran acknowledge the critical importance of the nuclear issues above mentioned and express their intention to immediately address these issues in the negotiations in order to achieve mutual agreement on them."

"Pending the final deal, the United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran agree to maintain the status quo. The Islamic Republic of Iran will maintain the current status quo of its nuclear program, and the United States of America will not impose any distinctions and will not deploy additional forces in the region."


And what are the actual and practical implications?

I don't understand this line of argument.

by nedhead @, Friday, June 19, 2026, 06:07 (6 hours, 9 minutes ago) @ KGB

I'm not now nor have I ever defended the war in Iran. Neither did I ever support the US pulling out of the JCPOA, nor of the Europeans for following along. It is not surprising at all that the war led to a pretty crappy position for the US.

Given that shitty position, this is the best option. I'm happy to see a plausible path for peace, and I hope that the peace holds. The alternative, which still may happen, would be far worse.

Was Hiroshima a tolerable outcome for Japan

by KGB, Belly o. the Beast, Friday, June 19, 2026, 05:34 (6 hours, 42 minutes ago) @ nedhead

bc they couldn't go back in time and un-bomb Pearl Harbor?

I know that's an absurd comparison, but this. is. what. Trump. does. All the time. Creates domestic or global disasters by Dunning-Krugering his way thru a second stint at being The Most Powerful Person In The World and then puts out fires no other president would have started in a clumsy, half-assed and typically expensive fashion.

Sure, but we can't go back in time.

by nedhead @, Thursday, June 18, 2026, 19:52 (16 hours, 23 minutes ago) @ domer.mq

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Sounds like they went easy on us

by fightinamish ⌂ @, Thursday, June 18, 2026, 19:51 (16 hours, 25 minutes ago) @ domer.mq
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If it were me I'd be demanding war crimes tribunals for all senior American government and military officials. Ah well, can't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

The better alternative...

by domer.mq ⌂ @, Thursday, June 18, 2026, 19:50 (16 hours, 26 minutes ago) @ nedhead

Was to not fall for the "Israel says they're going to strike, so we'd better do it" trick that Israel has been trying to pull since at least Bill Clinton was president. The better alternative was to not do the thing that every expert warned about because every expert, including in our own military, knew what Iran would do as a response.

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If someone has their knee on your neck

by atxND, Thursday, June 18, 2026, 19:08 (17 hours, 8 minutes ago) @ San Pedro

Go on all you want about how you’re the bigger and more powerful man, but you’re going to do what that person says.

It’s that, and nothing more.

Peace?

by nedhead @, Thursday, June 18, 2026, 18:37 (17 hours, 38 minutes ago) @ San Pedro

There was not a better alternative. The ceasefire would at some point soon threaten the global economy. Going back to war would be even worse.

The $300 billion presumably isn't from the US. Maybe we will never see NOEM, sad!

The regional powers will have to find a new stability and power balance, perhaps with a much lighter presence from the US. Normalized relations between Iran and the US would help.

There are other benefits of ending this destructive war. I hope that the peace holds.

I guess taking over Venezuela

by Jeremy (WeIsND), Offices of Babip Pecota Vorp & Eckstein, Thursday, June 18, 2026, 12:54 (23 hours, 21 minutes ago) @ domer.mq

Wasn't the boon to US oil production/reserves that was initially advertised?

I know I'm not going to be alive when the definitive history of this period of our country is written, but I sure as hell would love to read it.

I heard someone describe it as late-empire rome

by MattG, Thursday, June 18, 2026, 12:33 (23 hours, 43 minutes ago) @ domer.mq

Announcing peace with Persia on the same day you hold gladiator fights in front of the emperor’s home to celebrate his birthday

What a joke!

by oviedoirish @, Oviedo, Florida, Thursday, June 18, 2026, 12:32 (23 hours, 44 minutes ago) @ domer.mq

It really is like an unconditional surrender by us.

I wonder if his dementia/narcissism blocks him from realizing how bad a deal this is? And what a failure he is? Or do you think he knows?

as I have learned recently, it's a complex question

by domer.mq ⌂ @, Thursday, June 18, 2026, 12:29 (23 hours, 47 minutes ago) @ San Pedro

Yes, the SPR was getting critically low. I think in a sense, Trump wasn't lying, b/c in a few weeks we could well see truthful headlines that the SPR had been tapped.

However, there are other means of "recovering" oil that the nation could use. But good luck getting most of the nation past the initial headlines.

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It buys us Trump’s attempt at development deals

by Joe I @, Thursday, June 18, 2026, 12:21 (23 hours, 55 minutes ago) @ San Pedro

to personally gain some of that $300B in construction funds. That’s not nothing (For him at least).

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This doesn’t address my question.

by San Pedro @, More than 100 feet from Bob Davies, Thursday, June 18, 2026, 12:19 (23 hours, 56 minutes ago) @ Mark

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Our oil reserves are nearly empty?

by San Pedro @, More than 100 feet from Bob Davies, Thursday, June 18, 2026, 12:18 (23 hours, 57 minutes ago) @ domer.mq

Sometimes I can’t tell if you guys are being serious/using hyperbole to make a point. I thought Trump’s comments about 4 weeks were a bald faced lie to sell this deal.

Its helps secure Iran’s new young extremist leader.

by Mark, Thursday, June 18, 2026, 10:00 (1 day, 2 hours, 16 min. ago) @ San Pedro

Dont forget, but this essentially sets Iran’s people up for decades of atrocities to come.

This is like an -infinity own goal.

Its literally like, “What else could the US give Iran and get nothing in return for?”

By every criteria this is worse than before Trump started this war for Netanyahu.

It really makes me wonder how Israel allowed Trump to f this up so much other than it gave cover to allow Israel to keep committing genocide in a few countries for quite a few more months.

It buys us not having our Oil reserves go to 0 next month.

by domer.mq ⌂ @, Thursday, June 18, 2026, 09:53 (1 day, 2 hours, 22 min. ago) @ San Pedro

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What does the $300B buy us?

by San Pedro @, More than 100 feet from Bob Davies, Thursday, June 18, 2026, 09:41 (1 day, 2 hours, 34 min. ago) @ domer.mq

A mutually beneficial relationship with Iran (opening of the country to US companies, etc., access to resources, assurances that Iran will stop funding terrorist organizations)?

Trump is giving up quite a lot and seemingly securing little. Am I missing anything?

The terms of the US's surrender in the Iran war are stark.

by domer.mq ⌂ @, Thursday, June 18, 2026, 09:03 (1 day, 3 hours, 13 min. ago)

$300B paid to Iran. Recognizing that after the expiration of this MOU, Iran may begin taking fees for passing thru the strait. The US eliminating ALL sanctions on Iran. Iran gets to have a nuclear program. The unfreezing of all Iranian assets.

Can't wait to see what else we give up as negotiations continue.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/text-iran-us-memorandum-understandin...

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