The terms of the US's surrender in the Iran war are stark.

$300B paid to Iran. Recognizing that after the expiration of this MOU, Iran may begin taking fees for passing thru the strait. The US eliminating ALL sanctions on Iran. Iran gets to have a nuclear program. The unfreezing of all Iranian assets.

Can't wait to see what else we give up as negotiations continue.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/text-iran-us-memorandum-understandin...

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"The Islamic Republic of Iran reaffirms that it shall not procure or develop nuclear weapons. The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran have agreed to resolve the disposition of stockpile enriched material pursuant to a mechanism that will be mutually agreed upon in accordance with the schedule mentioned in paragraph seven, with the minimum methodology to be down blending on site under the supervision of the IAEA. The two parties also agreed to discuss the issue of enrichment and other mutually agreed matters related to the Islamic Republic of Iran’s nuclear needs, based on a satisfactory framework being agreed upon in the final deal. The final deal will confirm the provisions of this paragraph. The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran acknowledge the critical importance of the nuclear issues above mentioned and express their intention to immediately address these issues in the negotiations in order to achieve mutual agreement on them."

"Pending the final deal, the United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran agree to maintain the status quo. The Islamic Republic of Iran will maintain the current status quo of its nuclear program, and the United States of America will not impose any distinctions and will not deploy additional forces in the region."

And what are the actual and practical implications?

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If it were me I'd be demanding war crimes tribunals for all senior American government and military officials. Ah well, can't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

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Announcing peace with Persia on the same day you hold gladiator fights in front of the emperor’s home to celebrate his birthday

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It really is like an unconditional surrender by us.

I wonder if his dementia/narcissism blocks him from realizing how bad a deal this is? And what a failure he is? Or do you think he knows?

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A mutually beneficial relationship with Iran (opening of the country to US companies, etc., access to resources, assurances that Iran will stop funding terrorist organizations)?

Trump is giving up quite a lot and seemingly securing little. Am I missing anything?

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I couldn't believe it, but there it was in a tweet.

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Go on all you want about how you’re the bigger and more powerful man, but you’re going to do what that person says.

It’s that, and nothing more.

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There was not a better alternative. The ceasefire would at some point soon threaten the global economy. Going back to war would be even worse.

The $300 billion presumably isn't from the US. Maybe we will never see NOEM, sad!

The regional powers will have to find a new stability and power balance, perhaps with a much lighter presence from the US. Normalized relations between Iran and the US would help.

There are other benefits of ending this destructive war. I hope that the peace holds.

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Was to not fall for the "Israel says they're going to strike, so we'd better do it" trick that Israel has been trying to pull since at least Bill Clinton was president. The better alternative was to not do the thing that every expert warned about because every expert, including in our own military, knew what Iran would do as a response.

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bc they couldn't go back in time and un-bomb Pearl Harbor?

I know that's an absurd comparison, but this. is. what. Trump. does. All the time. Creates domestic or global disasters by Dunning-Krugering his way thru a second stint at being The Most Powerful Person In The World and then puts out fires no other president would have started in a clumsy, half-assed and typically expensive fashion.

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I'm not now nor have I ever defended the war in Iran. Neither did I ever support the US pulling out of the JCPOA, nor of the Europeans for following along. It is not surprising at all that the war led to a pretty crappy position for the US.

Given that shitty position, this is the best option. I'm happy to see a plausible path for peace, and I hope that the peace holds. The alternative, which still may happen, would be far worse.

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to personally gain some of that $300B in construction funds. That’s not nothing (For him at least).

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Dont forget, but this essentially sets Iran’s people up for decades of atrocities to come.

This is like an -infinity own goal.

Its literally like, “What else could the US give Iran and get nothing in return for?”

By every criteria this is worse than before Trump started this war for Netanyahu.

It really makes me wonder how Israel allowed Trump to f this up so much other than it gave cover to allow Israel to keep committing genocide in a few countries for quite a few more months.

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Sometimes I can’t tell if you guys are being serious/using hyperbole to make a point. I thought Trump’s comments about 4 weeks were a bald faced lie to sell this deal.

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Yes, the SPR was getting critically low. I think in a sense, Trump wasn't lying, b/c in a few weeks we could well see truthful headlines that the SPR had been tapped.

However, there are other means of "recovering" oil that the nation could use. But good luck getting most of the nation past the initial headlines.

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Wasn't the boon to US oil production/reserves that was initially advertised?

I know I'm not going to be alive when the definitive history of this period of our country is written, but I sure as hell would love to read it.

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the Polo Grounds

The terms of the US's surrender in the Iran war are stark.

Are these two paragraphs distinguishing energy v. weapons?

Sounds like they went easy on us

I heard someone describe it as late-empire rome

What a joke!

What does the $300B buy us?

I'd like to know exactly WHOSE $300Billion that is.

Mine. Yours. And everyone else's.

Me too.

Some GOP nitwit used the term "Peace in our time"

If someone has their knee on your neck

Peace?

The better alternative...

Sure, but we can't go back in time.

Was Hiroshima a tolerable outcome for Japan

I don't understand this line of argument.

It buys us Trump’s attempt at development deals

Its helps secure Iran’s new young extremist leader.

This doesn’t address my question.

It buys us not having our Oil reserves go to 0 next month.

Our oil reserves are nearly empty?

as I have learned recently, it's a complex question

I guess taking over Venezuela