Scheduling, economics, and what should Pete do?

by beattherush, Chicago, Thursday, May 21, 2026, 08:42 (4 days ago)
edited by beattherush, Thursday, May 21, 2026, 08:49

I was tempted to post a snarky comment about the Kent State scheduling, and then read that there are in fact some ties to Kent State and at the end of the day they're just another MAC school, so I stood down. On thinking on it further, though, Pete's wrong in scheduling that game and we appear to have hired Swarbrick 2.0 (not meant as a compliment, YMMV).

An explanation and discussion:

There's been a lot of chatter about the 24-team playoff as village idiot Tony Pettitti has been pushing it and it's B1G Media week so that's the topic on the offseason podcasts et al. The justifications that have been bandied about:
1) a bigger tournament will give "hope" to the mid-range schools
2) more money for the sport
3) more margin for error will lead to better out-of-conference scheduling

Wrong on all three counts.

1) won't help the Arizona States of the world, it will help the Minnesotas of the world. Last year's playoff selection makes very clear that the beneficiaries of a larger playoff will be the mediocre middle of the SEC and B1G. The rich get richer.

2) is silly. Think about the games that will be added: 9 vs. 24, 10 vs. 23, etc.. (Pat Forde had a good rundown on his Others Receiving Votes podcast). That will be something like USC / Arizona and Iowa / South Carolina. That's our compelling first round? I am not convinced 8 of those games will make up for the $200M+ that CCGs bring in today. And it's split 65+ ways.

3) sounds good, but won't happen. USC's and Indiana's reaction will be pretty typical. Hide behind the conference schedule, set up tomato cans, rake in the gate.

It helps in considering the 24-team question to look at who is asking it. Sankey (ESPN) is opposed. Pete (NBC) is for it. Petttitti (Fox) is for it. Right now ESPN holds rights to the 12 team version and keeps them at 14. At 16 or more there is some room for negotiation.

The real problem for Fox et al though isn't lack of playoff access -- they could have bid on that, they didn't. The real problem is that they did bid for a B1G package that sucks, particularly in the early season. The Fox Big Noon game for Week 1 this year is likely going to be Marshall / Penn State. That's their best option.

So the battle behind the scenes is not over the playoff size, it's about creating compelling TV slots in the early and mid season and also not screwing up the golden goose. The added 8 playoff games are mostly a wash; hell, ESPN's sublicensing even some of the existing playoff games to TNT/TBS. The real payoff is more ND/Miami 10M viewer games in September.

There's been some talk of teams moving to neutral site games as a way to tap that market. Duke / Michigan in CBB was moved to that format, with ESPN's blessing, and it's gotten the attention of TV execs. USC tried to set up something like that in week 0 with ND and Netflix in Mexico City.

So, in that market, Pete's goals ought to be:
a) Break the ESPN monopoly on the playoffs and its outsized impact on playoff selection. Exhibit A: Alabama's 2025 selection.
b) Head off a B1G/SEC breakaway, probably bad for the sport and definitely bad for ND even though we'd be included
c) Kill the scheduling cartel that is slowly forming to force ND into a conference by limiting our late-season scheduling options. This is the real reason we let USC walk. Week 0 long-term does not work for the USC game, and Pete knows it. (One of Freeman's few mistakes was "anytime, anyplace")

And the cards he has to play are:
1) Top-level relationships from his NBC days
2) ND's ability to drive gate for specific teams/conferences. ND showing up has a huge impact on any team's ticket sales, beyond the game because most teams force season ticket sales on the backs of an ND game at home.
3) ND's ability to drive ratings. This is his weakest card - our ratings are now materially behind the largest football schools. But it helps a lot with early and mid season matchups that TV execs would like.
4) Reputational equity, which is non-zero but does not really pay the bills.

Scheduling Kent State, in my view, squandered a card.

ND games are the currency we have in this fight. I'd rather us spend it on either a) propping up the B12 or b) making nice with the B1G and SEC by scheduling their mid-tier schools. I get that we need some tomato cans. But some tomato cans help us in the broader fight, and some do not. Kent State does not.

Pete probably knows all that better than me. Maybe I'm missing something, he's the ex-TV exec, not me. But I am increasingly having trouble seeing what the end strategy is going to be to achieve the goals the program ought to have. Which means either a) there's a lot going on behind the scenes that we don't see (entirely possible) or b) his goals are not aligned with the above, which may be a bigger problem.

The good news is, I bet the TV honchos are getting pretty unhappy with their early-season ratings and don't appreciate USC swapping a big ND game for a useless game against San Jose State. Next contract round, my hope is that they put some financial teeth into season-long scheduling. If we play this right, we can force the B1G and SEC to open up mid-to-late season scheduling to appease the TV bidders. Time will tell.

As much heat as we're taking for the '26 schedule

by KGB, Belly o. the Beast, Thursday, May 21, 2026, 10:47 (4 days ago) @ beattherush
edited by KGB, Thursday, May 21, 2026, 15:27

take a good hard look at 2027. Woof. Unless Dabo finds his BK 2.0 gear or someone comes out of the woodwork, it's likely to be even less competitive. Auburn will be a curiosity, but let's face it -- they fucking suck. LOT of "7 win, just happy to have qualified for a bowl" teams here. So I agree that Kent State as the 12th opponent feels like a missed opportunity, particularly when there's an early September hole in the schedule which could have been filled by a serious program that might actually boost our SOS.

(I will mention this again, because it annoys the everlovin' shit out of me and I think that Swarbrick deserves to be flogged over it, but scheduling shitbag Purdue and shitbag Michigan State concurrently (!) for multiple years (!!) on top of a mostly milquetoast ACC slate has fucked us in a bad way. It's a challenge to dig out from under when the foundation of the schedule is so decidedly...beige. Some of our 'traditions' just drive me up a goddamned wall.)

But your final paragraph is the nut of the whole thing here IMO. Someone over at The Athletic did a rundown a few days ago on projected CFB TV schedules for the month of September, and holy hell, man. The pussification of the B1G is having a serious downstream impact on the quality of inventory, and I am skeptical that the networks who have sunk billions into the sport in recent years and who largely control the behavior of power players like Sankey and Petitti are going to be satisfied with that as the new normal, watching college football get its face ripped off weekend after weekend in September by the NFL on ratings.

I believe that ND has a ton of value here, moreso than any other school, because we combine being one of the biggest national draws with much greater flexibility in scheduling than our conference-laden peers. Assuming that Pete isn't simply an enormous pussy, he should be in conversation with networks outside NBC trying to save upcoming big-ticket series like Texas & Alabama in addition to adding more deals of a similar type in future years. The networks are hungry for those games, and quite frankly, the expanded playoff hasn't delivered enough of them (and 24 ain't gonna do it either). That's his card to play.

Seems like this resolves itself in 2028 —>

by Bill, Murrieta, CA, Thursday, May 21, 2026, 17:46 (4 days ago) @ KGB

Maybe the 2025, 26, and 27 are a Swarbrick legacy. And it’s quite a shitshow.

But more marquee names start showing up in 2028 forward, so this might be a blip in the scheduling mentality.

If those games hold up.

by beattherush, Chicago, Friday, May 22, 2026, 07:11 (3 days ago) @ Bill

I predict at least one cancellation, probably more, in that 28-30 slate.

The underlying problem with the sport, one that affects ND more than anybody, is that there is currently disincentive to schedule big games. In particular non-conference games. And very in particular, non-conference games after September.

This will hurt the sport and is existential to ND.

I'm not sure, based on what we are seeing, that Pete understands the need and mechanics of how to wield ND's influence to solve that issue.

Was this really a Swarbrick disaster? Should he have known

by BillyGoat @, At Thanksgiving with Joe Bethersontin, Friday, May 22, 2026, 06:14 (3 days ago) @ Bill

that USC was going to bail? That the entire ACC -- other than Miami, but including Clemson, FSU, and VaTech -- would be totally shitty? That Stanford would be thoroughly useless? That Wisconsin would totally fall apart under Fickell? And that Auburn would be straight up bad?

Because it's the fact that all of those things are happening simultaneously that has brought us to this point. It seems like there's at least a substantial component of bad luck here.

We're in a weird gap period.

by KGB, Belly o. the Beast, Friday, May 22, 2026, 08:00 (3 days ago) @ BillyGoat
edited by KGB, Friday, May 22, 2026, 08:40

Overall, I think Swarbrick did a damn good job of shining up the stank turd that Kevin White left behind on the scheduling front. It was a long time ago, but people forget how badly Captain Blanco salted the fields on the way out. ADs come and go, but those scheduled games years in advance don't vanish into thin air. Jack responded to strong alum & fan sentiment by inking big home-and-home series with national programs like Texas, Georgia, OSU, A&M, Alabama, etc. Even the series with Wisconsin was an inspired concept that has since lost some luster thanks to the pandemic blowing up the schedules.

But there is this fallow period in between the A&M series and when Texas and Alabama are lined up starting in '28. Maybe he couldn't find a name brand willing to schedule us in 26-27, I dunno. But SC growing a bright fucking yellow streak down their back and running away with extreme prejudice, which Jack couldn't have anticipated at the time, obviously didn't help. Pete getting Clemson and BYU lined up since taking over won't knock anyone's socks off, but it might be about as much as could be expected within such a compressed window to operate.

Several factors

by beattherush, Chicago, Friday, May 22, 2026, 07:28 (3 days ago) @ BillyGoat

1) Agreed, we've been hurt by some teams falling off. FSU, Wisconsin, MSU, Purdue, Stanford all are well off their recent norms. But that's why the old "tiers" scheduling discussion over on NDN matters. Our problem, beyond the Kent State kvetching, is more a failure to schedule at the top end than at the bottom. Look at how OSU and Alabama schedule vs. ND in the later Swarbrick/Kelly years.

2) Swarbrick, who was over-focused on metrics and revenue flow and being "in the conversation" vs. fucking winning the national championship. I don't know if he thought it was too hard for ND in the current environment or just didn't care. But the NC was an aspiration, not a goal, for JS.

3) Kelly, who was our version of Lincoln Riley. It's always going to be that asshole's fault to some extent. Statue, my ass.

4) Jenkins. He was the boss. He was better than Monk. That's faint damn praise.

5) The BoT. I suspect there are folks better placed than I to judge their particular failings.

Your Alabama and OSU examples do not hold up.

by PMan @, The Banks of the Spokane River, Friday, May 22, 2026, 08:23 (3 days ago) @ beattherush

Alabama OOC last 2 years:

Florida State (L)
Louisiana-Monroe
Wisconsin
Eastern Illinois

Western Kentucky
South Florida
Wisconsin
Mercer


Ohio State OOC last 2 years:

Texas
Grambling State
Ohio

Akron
Western Michigan
Marshall

Fair point

by beattherush, Chicago, Friday, May 22, 2026, 09:25 (3 days ago) @ PMan

Though Ohio State did play Texas, and Bama's scheduling of FSU was at least an attempt. In general they have not shied away from big matchups to the extent Indiana and USC, among others, have.

Someone's going to have to push the B1G, primarily, to force some real games outside the conference slate. That someone is likely going to have to be the networks paying them.

Just read this morning Pettittti has floated a 10-game B1G schedule internally. That way lies both madness for the sport and existential problems for ND.

Saban never shied away from a big game or two

by Jeremy (WeIsND), Offices of Babip Pecota Vorp & Eckstein, Friday, May 22, 2026, 09:43 (3 days ago) @ beattherush

I think we'll find that DeBoer isn't made of the same stuff.

And you're absolutely right about the expanding conference schedule. That would really signal the end of independence.

The TV ratings issue for ND

by Dallasdomer, Thursday, May 21, 2026, 09:21 (4 days ago) @ beattherush

Is a bit more complicated than this suggests. We are still a highly desirable draw but there are competition dependent factors. ND games routinely rate as some of the most watched games of any football season, Kent State notwithstanding.
And while I think what you say makes a lot of sense, it’s extraordinarily difficult, as you note, to make legitimate criticisms where our overall information is quite limited. I like the job Swarbrick did so a Jack 2.0 (with more personal charm) would be highly desirable to me.

Yes and no

by beattherush, Chicago, Thursday, May 21, 2026, 13:38 (4 days ago) @ Dallasdomer

Yes, we can still draw with quality competition.

No, we are no longer the ratings powerhouse we once were, compared to several large schools in the SEC and B1G with 5x our alumni base and stronger geographic dominance. Aaron's data below is not atypical of the last few seasons.

Now, open question - if we get back to ND late 80's levels, will the ratings recover? I hope so, but I fear not. It's been outside of living memory for half the fanbase, and eventually that will catch up with us. Which is why sitting back and waiting for the renewals in 2032 is not an acceptable option for Pete. But it increasingly appears to be the one he's taking.

I think your "recover" question is the key

by Jeff (BGS) @, A starter home in suburban Tempe, Friday, May 22, 2026, 20:24 (3 days ago) @ beattherush

ND has a coach with amazing charisma and if the team can go on a multi-year heater, they will pull in a lot of new fans and fire up the haters. The new fans should help with the ratings, but I really don't think the haters will tune in to bad matchups as much as they will amplify the ratings on games against top-10 opponents.

I don't think the sky is the limit by any stretch, but I think its possible for ND to retake the top spot as a ratings draw. I think that is either Ohio State or Texas right now. ND might be behind Georgia and Alabama as well, but Alabama could be slipping, of course.

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Aren't we basically the old CBS? Good #'s, bad demographics

by cdawg, Thursday, May 21, 2026, 13:45 (4 days ago) @ beattherush

Every one of my kids friends roots for a Big W or SEC school. Mostly SEC. I just don't think we have fans under 35 other than those born into it. I don't have any data so I could be way off, but I do know ESPN folks and OSU vs. Bama is their ratings nirvana.

An excellent point

by beattherush, Chicago, Friday, May 22, 2026, 07:13 (3 days ago) @ cdawg

Not only have our ratings fallen from the top spot on the leaderboard, but our numbers in the demo (age 18-49 in adspeak) are even worse.

The Catholic Church has fucked us too.

by Grantland, y'allywood, Friday, May 22, 2026, 08:45 (3 days ago) @ beattherush

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If Freeman sticks around for another 3-5 years

by KGB, Belly o. the Beast, Friday, May 22, 2026, 08:15 (3 days ago) @ beattherush

I will not be the least bit concerned about demographics.

Yeah, agree with this

by Jeremy (WeIsND), Offices of Babip Pecota Vorp & Eckstein, Friday, May 22, 2026, 08:47 (3 days ago) @ KGB

The important thing is that with respect to the demographics important to building a championship college football team (ie, high school players/coaches/families, and high-level transfers), Freeman is about as cool as it gets right now. If there's a couple years of lag between the players getting it and the rest of the country getting it, I'm good with that.

Objectively, we may be less of a TV draw than in the past

by Aaron (Shakespeare), Thursday, May 21, 2026, 11:43 (4 days ago) @ Dallasdomer

Top TV Games of 2025

The linked listing of the top 100 most-viewed games of 2025, only 4 ND games made the list, behind several lesser programs:

Appearances by program:
13: Alabama
10: Georgia, Ohio State
9: Oklahoma, Texas
8: Ole Miss, Oregon
7: LSU, Miami, Michigan
6: Indiana, Tennessee, Texas A&M
5: Florida, Vanderbilt
4: Georgia Tech, Iowa, Missouri, Notre Dame, Penn State, Texas Tech, USC, Washington
3: Auburn, BYU, Clemson, Florida State, Illinois, South Carolina, Virginia, Wisconsin

Our games that made the list were vs Miami (17th most watched), vs Texas A&M (48th), vs USC (72nd), and vs Arkansas (85th).

I do think in some ways the ESPN machine is a self-feeding beast - games all day across multiple networks can cross-promote one another. But even accepting network inertia is part of the story, I still think we would have had more games closer to the top of the list if you look back 10, 20, 30 years ago. Opponent quality is a piece of that.

We stack up better when taking a closer look

by Coach Gillespie @, Omaha, Thursday, May 21, 2026, 14:54 (4 days ago) @ Aaron (Shakespeare)

I took out the playoff games. Had we been in - we would almost certainly have drawn 10M+ viewers.

ND-Miami was the #3-rated early season (Aug-Oct) game of the year, behind Arch's Texas debut vs the Buckeyes and the 44-41 OT Georgia-Tennessee game.

ND-A&M was the #7-rated Sept game. Four of those were juggernauts above 10M viewers: the above-mentioned UGA-Tenn thriller, LSU-Clemson, Bama-Georgia, and Michigan-OU. Our A&M game reached just over 6M viewers, closely behind Florida-Miami and LSU-Ole Miss.

We didn't play a marquee matchup after that game. But when we play a good team, we draw.

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Also when averaging out the full season vs. other blue blood

by Captain Robb, Thursday, May 21, 2026, 16:04 (4 days ago) @ Coach Gillespie
edited by Captain Robb, Thursday, May 21, 2026, 16:14

(I sourced this from a few different places, and did my best to find numbers that excluded the postseason, so this may not be exact, but it's a pretty good picture overall)

FULL SEASON AVERAGE VIEWERS PER GAME (REGULAR SEASON ONLY)


USC - 2.8 million
Oregon - 3.3 million
Penn State - 3.4 million
Miami - 3.4 million
Texas A&M - 3.5 million
Clemson - 3.8 million


NOTRE DAME - 3.9 million (high of 10.4 million for Miami and a low of 1.52 million for Stanford - probably could've bumped our number over 4.0 if they'd put that game at a reasonable time)


Florida State - 4.0 million
Michigan - 4.2 million (buoyed by 18.4 mill for the OHST game, otherwise they'd be below us)
Florida - 4.6 million
Ohio State - 5.6 million
Texas - 5.8 million


Alabama was the undisputed ratings king this year - over 8 million per game for the regular season, they were the #1 game of the weekend seven different times.

Nice summary.

by beattherush, Chicago, Friday, May 22, 2026, 07:16 (3 days ago) @ Captain Robb

Our Peacock deal hurts us in that kind of comparison.

So does playing a weak schedule and not having recent historical success.

We do have some pull, and our gate numbers are outstanding which can help a lot with scheduling. But we are no longer the top of the heap. We're the aging veteran who can win with guile and experience, not sheer athleticism.

Does Pete show that guile and experience? Mixed reviews. I give him credit for getting BYU on the slate at high speed, and for making USC look stupid in the meantime.

Kent State, though? Thanks for playing.

Florida's number is deceiving

by KGB, Belly o. the Beast, Thursday, May 21, 2026, 16:33 (4 days ago) @ Captain Robb
edited by KGB, Friday, May 22, 2026, 08:03

bc they played an insane schedule against an inordinate number of teams who are themselves big draws. To a somewhat lesser extent, I think this also applies to Alabama.

In a vacuum, my opinion is that Texas and OSU stand out from the pack on natural draw. At least by a small margin. And I'm not a believer in Alabama's presence on a go-forward basis unless DeBoer really steps it up. Saban's dominance over an extended period gave them a huge lift that I don't think holds up historically based on their footprint.

We are a sleeping giant as a TV property IMO.

by KGB, Belly o. the Beast, Thursday, May 21, 2026, 12:01 (4 days ago) @ Aaron (Shakespeare)

An ND team that is a legitimate, regular title contender (which we haven't for 30+ years) is going to be a big draw. For those who hate us and desperately want to watch us lose as much as actual fans of the team. ND losses haven't been nearly a rare enough commodity to generate value for a while now.

I think this fall is where you'll start to see the rubber meet the road, particularly coming off the CFP snub last year and how ESPN is already leaning into that storyline alongside the 'weak schedule' schtick. Because ESPN is no longer about Sports as much as they are two televised heads screaming at one another all day long.

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