Sure, Ruskin probably got laid on his Grand Tour
(or maybe not, in his case, actually). My point is that it's one thing to grow, develop, and learn a ton during college--and have a lot of fun doing it--and it's another to so crassly put the dessert first, as it were. I loved my time at ND, but I didn't choose it so I could tailgate, and it certainly didn't have anything to do with the amenities of Keenan Hall or the Huddle.
The consumer mindset is a major driver in what's destroying higher ed. Obscene sports expenditures, every campus a construction site, gaudy dorms. All the carts are before the horse, which in any case has rickets now and is being dragged along by an army of exploited adjuncts who lack health insurance. Meanwhile, a refreshed climbing wall just went up next to the PF Chang's in the student center to better attract students who are, well, basically just shopping for fancy digs. And this is what the tuition is for.
Kid in my class yesterday: Saw some colleges over spring break.
Me: Oh, yeah? Which ones?
Kid: TCU and SMU.
Me: Gee, you don't say...well, how were they?
Kid: Awesome. It was warm and everything was super new.
Now, obviously this is a function of the kind of extreme privilege that would allow one to spend 400k to study marketing and party for four years in a place with few regional connections to, and little name recognition in, Chicagoland. They just have too many safety nets for it ever to constitute any kind of risk. But I've taught this demographic for a long time and the conversations have increasingly shifted away from majors and "finding the right fit" to, again, warmth, football, new facilities, etc. Is it ennui in the face of a hopeless work future? Is it AI addiction that's sidelined the desire (and ability) to learn and do hard things? Is it a Trump thing--going South to escape northern "wokeness"? Whatever it is, it's dumb as fuck.
Complete thread:
- My son is looking at colleges. -
Grantland,
2026-04-09, 14:00
- Has he looked at Mercer? -
omahadomer,
2026-04-10, 10:11
- Yes. Mercer is a choice. I worry about him at Ole Miss. - Grantland, 2026-04-13, 05:56
- 3 of my kids went to Dayton -
tjnd88,
2026-04-10, 09:46
- Love UD! - KGB, 2026-04-11, 11:36
- Our 1st is about to decide. -
domer.mq,
2026-04-09, 17:36
- I kind of see it all as a bit of a blessing… -
atxND,
2026-04-10, 07:36
- Yes. My daughter was down to Purdue and St. Mary's. She - Grantland, 2026-04-13, 05:59
- I agree with this -
HCE,
2026-04-10, 09:04
- One of the things that has changed since I was 18... -
domer.mq,
2026-04-10, 09:26
- Another thing that's changed -
IrishGuard,
2026-04-11, 12:59
- We're seeing a lot of that... -
domer.mq,
2026-04-11, 15:24
- Life is hard before and it will be harder afterward -
atxND,
2026-04-12, 09:47
- It's like the Grand Tour -
IrishGuard,
2026-04-12, 15:55
- Let's not romanticize the Grand Tour too much. -
PMan,
2026-04-14, 14:27
- Sure, Ruskin probably got laid on his Grand Tour - IrishGuard, 2026-04-14, 15:43
- The Innocents Abroad is my favorite Twain work
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Jay,
2026-04-14, 14:34
- But enough about Urban Meyer.
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domer.mq,
2026-04-12, 16:31
- Let's not romanticize the Grand Tour too much. -
PMan,
2026-04-14, 14:27
- It's like the Grand Tour -
IrishGuard,
2026-04-12, 15:55
- Life is hard before and it will be harder afterward -
atxND,
2026-04-12, 09:47
- We're seeing a lot of that... -
domer.mq,
2026-04-11, 15:24
- Some of the SEC is pretty darn selective, too -
BPH,
2026-04-10, 12:28
- Oh for sure... - domer.mq, 2026-04-10, 12:46
- We have the HOPE scholarship in Georgia, -
Bryan (IrishCavan),
2026-04-10, 11:18
- That HOPE program is awesome. -
domer.mq,
2026-04-10, 12:07
- Agree, though it does act as a regressive tax. - Grantland, 2026-04-13, 06:03
- That HOPE program is awesome. -
domer.mq,
2026-04-10, 12:07
- I’ve seen a number of kids recently go the CC feeder -> -
Joe I,
2026-04-10, 10:55
- I see the appeal of that -
BPH,
2026-04-10, 12:22
- Yes to all that. - Joe I, 2026-04-10, 12:53
- I see the appeal of that -
BPH,
2026-04-10, 12:22
- It’s all cost, right? The ROI on private schools is so -
atxND,
2026-04-10, 09:39
- Also changing demographics - HCE, 2026-04-10, 10:44
- Another thing that's changed -
IrishGuard,
2026-04-11, 12:59
- One of the things that has changed since I was 18... -
domer.mq,
2026-04-10, 09:26
- It's been a few years, so I've been able to cool down a bit -
MattG,
2026-04-09, 21:51
- I have seen you post this before. I swear they must have - Grantland, 2026-04-13, 06:13
- That is crazy -- - omahadomer, 2026-04-10, 10:07
- Thats crazy. -
domer.mq,
2026-04-10, 05:08
- Appreciate all this perspective -
Domer99,
2026-04-10, 07:54
- Good luck. - domer.mq, 2026-04-10, 09:39
- Seconded! -
irishvol,
2026-04-10, 09:03
- Not sure how helpful this is -
Domer99,
2026-04-10, 09:55
- Very helpful - thanks!
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irishvol,
2026-04-12, 18:54
- Very helpful - thanks!
- Not sure how helpful this is -
Domer99,
2026-04-10, 09:55
- Appreciate all this perspective -
Domer99,
2026-04-10, 07:54
- I feel like we should grab coffee at some point -
bobbywal,
2026-04-09, 22:28
- I get all that; but I’m not going to change my mind on this. -
MattG,
2026-04-09, 23:01
- Not trying to change your mind -
Dallasdomer,
2026-04-10, 13:28
- To Matt's point - OGerry, 2026-04-12, 07:10
- Not trying to change your mind -
Dallasdomer,
2026-04-10, 13:28
- I get all that; but I’m not going to change my mind on this. -
MattG,
2026-04-09, 23:01
- More and more -
bobbywal,
2026-04-09, 19:38
- saw where ND accepted 9% of applicants this year -
Jay,
2026-04-10, 09:03
- That’s really a factor of the Common Application -
MattG,
2026-04-10, 09:41
- yeah, but REA to ND is also really high -
Jay,
2026-04-10, 09:50
- Yes, we were REA and were deferred to regular admissions - MattG, 2026-04-10, 11:37
- yeah, but REA to ND is also really high -
Jay,
2026-04-10, 09:50
- That’s really a factor of the Common Application -
MattG,
2026-04-10, 09:41
- These stories are insane. - Regular Joseph, 2026-04-09, 19:48
- saw where ND accepted 9% of applicants this year -
Jay,
2026-04-10, 09:03
- No one screwed up - Busco21, 2026-04-09, 18:13
- I kind of see it all as a bit of a blessing… -
atxND,
2026-04-10, 07:36
- Good luck. We just finished the process with our 6th grader. - San Pedro, 2026-04-09, 16:58
- I found the process so fun - Busco21, 2026-04-09, 15:23
- High Point aspires to be the Hillsdale College of the south. -
hlewis,
2026-04-09, 14:59
- Agree. We did not like it at all.
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Grantland,
2026-04-13, 06:29
- Agree. We did not like it at all.
- I only have two bits of advice to offer -
Greg,
2026-04-09, 14:56
- We are in the final throes with our second - weeks to go -
bobbywal,
2026-04-09, 16:38
- Just be thankful you’re not my parents, where one of their - Joe I, 2026-04-09, 18:20
- Totally get it. Good luck! - Greg, 2026-04-09, 16:53
- We are in the final throes with our second - weeks to go -
bobbywal,
2026-04-09, 16:38
- Let me know if you all make your way to KSU
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Bryan (IrishCavan),
2026-04-09, 14:07
- Will do. We may visit one weekend. I will look you up.
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Grantland,
2026-04-13, 06:03
- Will do. We may visit one weekend. I will look you up.
- Has he looked at Mercer? -
omahadomer,
2026-04-10, 10:11