Easier to comprehend when you consider "Christianity"
in this context is much more about political/cultural identity than it is theology or belief. Nice little side benefit of being able to tell other people how to behave (especially groups you find objectionable for other reasons). I mean, just look at this murderer's row of "Christians" that have led us to this point (AI-assisted):
+----------------------------------+------------+----------------------------------------+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Person / Event | Year(s) | Public Christian Role | Scandal / Behavior | Outcome |
+----------------------------------+------------+----------------------------------------+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Jim Bakker | 1987-1989 | Televangelist, PTL Ministry founder | Sexual assault of secretary Jessica Hahn; $279K hush money from ministry funds; double-book financial fraud | Convicted on 24 counts of fraud/conspiracy; originally sentenced to 45 years (reduced on appeal) |
+----------------------------------+------------+----------------------------------------+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Jimmy Swaggart | 1988, 1991 | Televangelist, $142M/yr ministry; | Caught with prostitute twice (1988 & 1991); told congregation the second time "it's flat none of your business" | Defrocked by Assemblies of God; ministry survived in diminished form |
| | | vocal anti-pornography crusader | | |
+----------------------------------+------------+----------------------------------------+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Tony Alamo | 1994, 2009 | Evangelical cult leader | Tax evasion (1994); transported minors across state lines for sex; "married" girls as young as age 8 | Up to 175 years federal prison; died incarcerated 2017; church ordered to pay $525M civil damages |
+----------------------------------+------------+----------------------------------------+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Ted Haggard | 2006 | President, National Assoc. of | Paid male escort for meth and sex over 3 years; campaigned actively against gay rights; denied everything initially | Resigned all positions; "conversion therapy" claims quickly collapsed; later admitted to drug use and sexual contact |
| | | Evangelicals (30M members) | | |
+----------------------------------+------------+----------------------------------------+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Bishop Eddie Long | 2010-2011 | Pastor, 25,000-member megachurch; | Sexually coerced teenage male "Spiritual Sons" using gifts, trips, private access, beginning when they were minors | Settled all four lawsuits confidentially; never admitted guilt publicly; died 2017 |
| | | anti-gay rights preacher | | |
+----------------------------------+------------+----------------------------------------+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Mark Driscoll / Mars Hill | 2014 | Pastor, Mars Hill megachurch (10,000+) | Spiritual abuse, plagiarism, misuse of funds, manipulation of bestseller list, authoritarian/abusive leadership | Resigned Oct 2014; Mars Hill Church dissolved entirely |
+----------------------------------+------------+----------------------------------------+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Bill Hybels / Willow Creek | 2018 | Founder, Willow Creek (25,000 members);| Decades of sexual misconduct: groping, unwanted advances, extramarital affair with staff; leadership covered it up | Resigned Apr 2018; entire elder board and both co-lead pastors also resigned; church issued public apology to victims |
| | | globally modeled church leadership | | |
+----------------------------------+------------+----------------------------------------+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Jerry Falwell Jr. | 2020 | President, Liberty University; | Wife carried on multi-year affair with 20-yr-old pool attendant while Falwell allegedly watched; financial scandals | Resigned Aug 2020 |
| | | key Trump evangelical endorser | | |
+----------------------------------+------------+----------------------------------------+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Josh Duggar | 2015, 2021 | Reality TV Christian family star; | 2015: molested four sisters as a teen; 2021: federal arrest for possessing child pornography of children under 12 | Convicted Dec 2021; sentenced to 12 years 7 months federal prison |
| | | Family Research Council lobbyist | | |
+----------------------------------+------------+----------------------------------------+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Southern Baptist Convention | 1998-2022 | Largest Protestant denomination in US | ~400 leaders charged for sex crimes vs. 700+ victims; SBC kept secret abuser list since 2007; protected leadership | Guidepost Solutions 205-pg report (2022) confirmed systemic cover-up; DOJ investigation launched; ongoing litigation |
+----------------------------------+------------+----------------------------------------+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Kenneth Copeland | Ongoing | Prosperity gospel televangelist | Preaches donations unlock divine blessing while amassing ~$760M net worth, multiple private jets, $17.5M airport | No criminal charges; widely documented as financial exploitation of vulnerable donors |
+----------------------------------+------------+----------------------------------------+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Robert Morris / Gateway Church | 2024-2026 | Founder, Gateway Church (25,000+); | Sexually abused a 12-year-old girl starting in 1982 for four years; used religious authority to silence victim | Resigned Jun 2024; pleaded guilty Oct 2025 to 5 felony counts; served 6 months jail; released Mar 2026 |
| | | Trump 2016 evangelical adviser | | |
+----------------------------------+------------+----------------------------------------+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Evangelical Political Bloc | 1998-2024 | Self-described "Moral Majority"; | White evangelicals willing to hold officials accountable for moral failures dropped from 60% (2011) to 16.5% (2018) | Academically documented as political tribalism displacing theological commitment as primary identity driver |
| (structural pattern) | | guardians of character in public life | | |
+----------------------------------+------------+----------------------------------------+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Complete thread:
- Trump is Jesus -
domer.mq,
2026-04-13, 05:26
- And Iran has posted their rebuttal - Jeff (BGS), 2026-04-15, 22:39
- Interestng New Republic article. -
oviedoirish,
2026-04-14, 10:21
- Thanks for sharing - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2026-04-14, 12:47
- My first thought is I'm a big fan of Greg Sargent - BPH, 2026-04-14, 11:03
- Out of all the MAGA things I'm fucking sick of -
KGB,
2026-04-14, 09:32
- As usual, you nailed it. -
cdawg,
2026-04-15, 10:36
- Man, I wasn't even aware until you said that. -
KGB,
2026-04-15, 12:18
- Pretty sure that was Bones' message to Waddell -
Jeremy (WeIsND),
2026-04-16, 11:03
- They need a second goalie who isn't Elvis. -
KGB,
2026-04-16, 13:26
- Good point. The Caps &/or CBJ would have made the playoffs - cdawg, 2026-04-17, 08:54
- They need a second goalie who isn't Elvis. -
KGB,
2026-04-16, 13:26
- Pretty sure that was Bones' message to Waddell -
Jeremy (WeIsND),
2026-04-16, 11:03
- Someone needed to say it - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2026-04-15, 11:15
- Man, I wasn't even aware until you said that. -
KGB,
2026-04-15, 12:18
- As usual, you nailed it. -
cdawg,
2026-04-15, 10:36
- Then there's this -
Bryan (IrishCavan),
2026-04-14, 07:58
- Lt. Gov “Dan Patrick” (FKA Dannie Scott Goeb) on the case - atxND, 2026-04-14, 09:16
- Ahh, the Heritage Foundation end game!
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Joe I,
2026-04-14, 09:04
- Fr. Dowd in support of Pope Leo -
Jack,
2026-04-13, 14:51
- couldn’t mention Trump by name, though
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Jay,
2026-04-13, 15:14
- Right. - bobbywal, 2026-04-13, 21:10
- This reeks of making perfect the enemy of the good -
Savage,
2026-04-13, 16:10
- They could provide SOME context, though? -
MattG,
2026-04-13, 17:45
- Except everyone knows what is animating it -
Dallasdomer,
2026-04-14, 05:58
- what would Hesburgh do? -
Jay,
2026-04-14, 13:09
- Right. Sufficient isn't Leadership. -
domer.mq,
2026-04-14, 16:39
- I don’t think social media is standing up to anything -
Dallasdomer,
2026-04-14, 16:47
- Ok, well, it's a release on the ND website too... - domer.mq, 2026-04-14, 18:04
- I don’t think social media is standing up to anything -
Dallasdomer,
2026-04-14, 16:47
- Right. Sufficient isn't Leadership. -
domer.mq,
2026-04-14, 16:39
- Agreed, and I agree with Savage - Jack, 2026-04-14, 12:44
- Most people don't know why gas prices went up. -
domer.mq,
2026-04-14, 09:30
- Those people would never read that statement in the first - Jack, 2026-04-14, 12:46
- gonna need the receipts on 'most'
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KGB,
2026-04-14, 09:34
- I'll ammend to "Plenty." -
domer.mq,
2026-04-14, 09:38
- Not everyone - KGB, 2026-04-14, 09:49
- I'll ammend to "Plenty." -
domer.mq,
2026-04-14, 09:38
- Name the evil.
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PMan,
2026-04-14, 08:57
- Do they? -
MattG,
2026-04-14, 08:49
- Who's the audience here, though? -
Jack,
2026-04-14, 12:55
- Audience is other clergy, then Trump. -
MattG,
2026-04-14, 16:46
- There is no statement of support for Trump there - Jack, 2026-04-15, 13:16
- Audience is other clergy, then Trump. -
MattG,
2026-04-14, 16:46
- Who's the audience here, though? -
Jack,
2026-04-14, 12:55
- what would Hesburgh do? -
Jay,
2026-04-14, 13:09
- Except everyone knows what is animating it -
Dallasdomer,
2026-04-14, 05:58
- look at Cardinal McElroy -
Jay,
2026-04-13, 16:15
- Cue Chris Rock. - KGB, 2026-04-13, 17:28
- They could provide SOME context, though? -
MattG,
2026-04-13, 17:45
- couldn’t mention Trump by name, though
- Now he's claiming it was supposed to be him as a doctor - HCE, 2026-04-13, 13:14
- I wonder how “Christian” MAGA will justify -
Jack,
2026-04-13, 09:41
- Randomly listened to something that reminds me of this -
Mike (Max),
2026-04-13, 11:02
- All of us are probably a mix of all three, -
nedhead,
2026-04-13, 15:38
- I agree -- it's an oversimplification of a human being.
-
Mike (Max),
2026-04-14, 08:17
- Have you read "Thinking, Fast and Slow" -
ReginaldVelJohnson,
2026-04-14, 12:54
- Yes, read it, and I agree to a point. -
Mike (Max),
2026-04-14, 16:01
- To add to this, - nedhead, 2026-04-14, 23:54
- I thought of Kahneman -
OGerry,
2026-04-14, 13:16
- Much of the answer to your question is due to bandwidth. - Joe I, 2026-04-14, 13:57
- Yes, read it, and I agree to a point. -
Mike (Max),
2026-04-14, 16:01
- Have you read "Thinking, Fast and Slow" -
ReginaldVelJohnson,
2026-04-14, 12:54
- I agree -- it's an oversimplification of a human being.
- Those are good - bobbywal, 2026-04-13, 11:05
- All of us are probably a mix of all three, -
nedhead,
2026-04-13, 15:38
- Of all the totally inexplicable aspects of this era of -
BillyGoat,
2026-04-13, 09:50
- Easier to comprehend when you consider "Christianity" -
ReginaldVelJohnson,
2026-04-13, 12:13
- This is exactly right. - KGB, 2026-04-13, 12:59
- It’s instructive to remember - Jack, 2026-04-13, 10:03
- The right has never been Christian. -
Joe,
2026-04-13, 09:59
- They're Christian nationalists, which is different
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BPH,
2026-04-13, 10:36
- They're Christian nationalists, which is different
- Easier to comprehend when you consider "Christianity" -
ReginaldVelJohnson,
2026-04-13, 12:13
- Look how stirred up the libs got about it! QED.
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IrishGuard,
2026-04-13, 09:49
- Randomly listened to something that reminds me of this -
Mike (Max),
2026-04-13, 11:02
- I think that picture broke TPG. Working on and off today.
-
NDinVA,
2026-04-13, 09:10
- What the actual fuck? Jesus had red hair?
-
Grantland,
2026-04-13, 07:14
- Is it AI slop or is it one of that one guy's actual... -
PMan,
2026-04-13, 08:11
- Given the "jets" and the gorgon, I'm thinking AI.
-
domer.mq,
2026-04-13, 08:25
- I thought those were the Avengers
-
Jay,
2026-04-13, 09:05
- "On your RIGHT"
-
BillyGoat,
2026-04-13, 09:46
- Some pretty cool Revelations stuff going on there!
-
bobbywal,
2026-04-13, 10:58
- Some pretty cool Revelations stuff going on there!
- "On your RIGHT"
- I thought those were the Avengers
- AI, I believe
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atxND,
2026-04-13, 08:15
- seems so. - PMan, 2026-04-13, 08:32
- Given the "jets" and the gorgon, I'm thinking AI.
- Is it AI slop or is it one of that one guy's actual... -
PMan,
2026-04-13, 08:11
- “Pope Leo is weak on crime” -
Jay,
2026-04-13, 07:04
- Next, he’ll be “soft on Communism”
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Jack,
2026-04-13, 14:19
- It says everything about exactly who he is - KGB, 2026-04-13, 07:11
- Next, he’ll be “soft on Communism”
- and Pope Leo is "weak on crime"
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KGB,
2026-04-13, 07:00
- also weak on gun rights and the capital gains tax
-
Jay,
2026-04-13, 07:07
- Pope Leo is...Marion "Cobra" Cobretti - Chris, 2026-04-13, 07:03
- also weak on gun rights and the capital gains tax
- He's going for the Caesar Augustus deification trick - IrishGuard, 2026-04-13, 06:45
- That even one person is ok with this is the actual issue. -
Chris,
2026-04-13, 06:41
- We can all agree that we’re tearing down every last thing -
atxND,
2026-04-13, 07:53
- I’ll volunteer to man a sledgehammer
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Jack,
2026-04-13, 09:43
- They could raise funds with this... - domer.mq, 2026-04-13, 10:34
- I want to convert them all to homeless shelters - Jeff (BGS), 2026-04-13, 08:46
- Damnatio memoriae
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PMan,
2026-04-13, 08:02
- said this elsewhere -
Jay,
2026-04-13, 07:55
- Do you think the Dems have the guts to do any of that? -
MattG,
2026-04-13, 08:02
- At least rename the ballroom after Obama -
Jack,
2026-04-13, 09:45
- Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this arch.
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San Pedro,
2026-04-14, 06:27
- No. Wrong message. Gotta find a way to use the building -
BillyGoat,
2026-04-13, 09:49
- Call it "Constitution Hall" - IrishGuard, 2026-04-13, 09:53
- Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this arch.
- Yeah, exactly -
bobbywal,
2026-04-13, 08:12
- I think the opposite -- I don't see how the arch -
Jay,
2026-04-13, 09:07
- The Immigration Arch - GloveND, 2026-04-14, 07:44
- I'm hoping we can run out the clock on the Arch - bobbywal, 2026-04-13, 09:44
- I think the opposite -- I don't see how the arch -
Jay,
2026-04-13, 09:07
- I could see Newsome doing it
-
Jay,
2026-04-13, 08:06
- At least rename the ballroom after Obama -
Jack,
2026-04-13, 09:45
- Do you think the Dems have the guts to do any of that? -
MattG,
2026-04-13, 08:02
- I’ll volunteer to man a sledgehammer
- We can all agree that we’re tearing down every last thing -
atxND,
2026-04-13, 07:53
- He's mentally ill.
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oviedoirish,
2026-04-13, 06:31