I'm drawing a fine line here. Maybe too fine.

by LaFortune Teller , South Bend, Monday, March 07, 2011, 12:51 (5531 days ago) @ Jay

If we land a #1 or #2 seed and don't make it to the elite 8, we will have failed to play to our seed. Will it be a tournament failure? Does it fit a pattern of Mike Brey teams in terms of tournament success? Based on preseason expectations or tournament expectations?

Mike Krzyzewski teams sometimes make it to the Final Four. Based on seed (and probably preseason expectations), his teams "should" make it to the Final Four more often than they do. If we want to say that Brey teams don't play to preseason or midseason expectations as well as Krzyzewski teams, that's probably true. If we want to say that Brey teams play to tournament expectations as well as Krzyzewski teams based on seed, that might be true as well.

As for missing the tournament, its certainly a mark against Brey in general, but it isn't relevant to the point I'm trying to make.

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FWIW, ND is now ranked #4 in both CBB polls this week - hobbs, 2011-03-07, 10:58
- Whatever happens from here forward... - KGB, 2011-03-07, 12:08
  - Agree on #1 vs. #2 - CW (Rakes), 2011-03-07, 13:27
  - I'm all for hurrahs on the regular season at this point - Jay, 2011-03-07, 12:13
    - I don't think that would bother me all that much. - Kevin, 2011-03-07, 17:20
    - It would be an amplified microcosm of his entire tenure. - KGB, 2011-03-07, 12:27
      - serious question - Jay, 2011-03-07, 19:12
        
        Well, you see, Jay... - KGB, 2011-03-07, 19:40
        
        Your reply is a miniaturized macroverse - Dylan, 2011-03-07, 20:12
      - Agree. - Kevin, 2011-03-07, 17:22
      - okay, you made me look it up - Jay, 2011-03-07, 12:58
        
        The fact that we've never been higher than a 5-seed... - KGB, 2011-03-07, 13:53
        
        Goodness..... - bk, 2011-03-07, 13:20
        
        "acting like Purdue football fans" - hobbs, 2011-03-07, 14:15
        
        We're pretty far off that right now..... - bk, 2011-03-07, 14:18
        
        I totally agree with your second paragraph - Jay, 2011-03-07, 13:24
        
        Nice drum. - Slainte Joe, 2011-03-07, 13:54
        
        spectacular, spectacular - Jay, 2011-03-07, 14:03
        
        Far better teams than this ND one have lost in the 2nd round - CW (Rakes), 2011-03-07, 13:37
        
        on the other hand, no team has been seeded as high - Jay, 2011-03-07, 13:52
        
        It seems like the diehard fans give Brey more rope. - San Pedro, 2011-03-07, 14:00
        
        They remember the John MacLeod years - hobbs, 2011-03-07, 14:09
        
        Being a season-ticket holder definitely colors my view.... - bk, 2011-03-07, 14:04
        
        Good points. - San Pedro, 2011-03-07, 13:45
        
        Amen. Amen I say to you. - bk, 2011-03-07, 13:38
        
        And I agree with yours..... - bk, 2011-03-07, 13:34
        
        The last two 11/6 games were some poor seeding/bad draws - CW (Rakes), 2011-03-07, 13:16
        
        2007 was a total freakin' hose job. - KGB, 2011-03-07, 14:00
        
        Geez. And people wonder why some ND fans are wary. - Greg, 2011-03-07, 13:14
        
        Kind of funny. - KGB, 2011-03-07, 14:43
        
        how many programs match those expectations? - HumanRobot, 2011-03-07, 13:23
        
        Yeah, I was a bit over the top in the way I wrote that. - Greg, 2011-03-07, 13:27
        
        Put it to the test. One Elite 8 every four years? - LaFortune Teller, 2011-03-07, 14:04
        
        I'm sorry you did that work. - Greg, 2011-03-07, 14:08
        
        You misunderstood..... - bk, 2011-03-07, 14:06
        
        This seems about right..... - bk, 2011-03-07, 13:47
        
        I don't want to be Purdue football fans - Greg, 2011-03-07, 14:11
        
        Coach K's - HumanRobot, 2011-03-07, 13:08
        
        Boy, that was an ugly stretch there prior to last season. - KGB, 2011-03-07, 14:21
        
        So this year will be the first time ND "should" reach S16. - LaFortune Teller, 2011-03-07, 13:02
        
        As with football, I will wait until the season is complete - Joe I, 2011-03-07, 13:33
        
        It's not so much limping as stagnating.... - bk, 2011-03-07, 13:36
        
        That is a very good point. - Joe I, 2011-03-07, 13:38
      - Izzo might be the only coach that consistently plays - LaFortune Teller, 2011-03-07, 12:37
        
        if you count the years he missed the tournament entirely - Jay, 2011-03-07, 12:40
        
        I'm drawing a fine line here. Maybe too fine. - LaFortune Teller, 2011-03-07, 12:51
- I'd take #1 in the West in a heartbeat - Spesh, 2011-03-07, 11:19
  - I'll definitely go to those - Jay, 2011-03-07, 11:33
  - Yeah, I was thinking of a possible quick drive/flight up - hobbs, 2011-03-07, 11:27
    - Even if they go West, ND will almost certainly be in Chicago - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2011-03-07, 11:31
      - You're right on Chi being the likely 1st & 2nd round venue - hobbs, 2011-03-07, 11:51

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I'm drawing a fine line here. Maybe too fine.