One of my very good friends from my tiny-ass hometown

by Chris (HCC) @, Paradise, Friday, February 03, 2012, 10:19 (5242 days ago) @ Jim (fisherj08)

was PLS at ND. He and I were the only two people from my town to go there in like 20 years. He was a few years older than me and I went to visit him my senior year of high school.

My conclusion, PLS majors (among his friends, anyway) smoked a TOOOONNNN of weed.

Laugh all you want,

by Pete, Friday, February 03, 2012, 10:14 (5242 days ago) @ Domer99

but that book has done an outstanding job holding up a broken shelf in my kitchen cabinet.

Yeah.

by Slainte Joe @, Raleigh, Friday, February 03, 2012, 09:26 (5242 days ago) @ Jim (fisherj08)

That's what we do.

You know ... when we're not engaged in the whole Sharks v. Jets thing with Philo majors:

"Bitch, you only read excerpts of The Gay Science!"

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Isn't that the source of "you know you need me"?

by CK08, Friday, February 03, 2012, 09:23 (5242 days ago) @ Domer99

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Alan Grant put out an absolutely fantastic book

by Domer99, John Wesley Powell's Expedition Island, Friday, February 03, 2012, 09:17 (5242 days ago) @ HullieAndMikes

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It's a must read.

Um, hopefully this is fully recognized as sarcasm.

The Big 10 championship is what we play for.

by Greg, seemingly ranch, Friday, February 03, 2012, 08:56 (5242 days ago) @ Slainte Joe

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Just one more nugget of wisdom ...

by Slainte Joe @, Raleigh, Friday, February 03, 2012, 08:41 (5242 days ago) @ KGB

that Coyne picked up at ND.

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It's a condition of acceptance to Notre Dame that all males are to give their SYR dates a single red rose, picked up at the LaFortune flower shop.

People hate all other types of flowers.

by KGB, Belly o. the Beast, Friday, February 03, 2012, 08:31 (5242 days ago) @ Slainte Joe

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That counterpoints the surrealism of the underlying metaphor

by Jeff (BGS) @, A starter home in suburban Tempe, Friday, February 03, 2012, 08:28 (5242 days ago) @ Pete

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One of my friends was PLS

by Jim (fisherj08) @, A Samoan kid's laptop, Friday, February 03, 2012, 08:09 (5242 days ago) @ Slainte Joe

I went to one of her parties once.

People talked about books. A lot.

Specificity is the soul of narrative.

by Pete, Friday, February 03, 2012, 07:53 (5242 days ago) @ Slainte Joe

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What the hell does that mean?

by Slainte Joe @, Raleigh, Friday, February 03, 2012, 07:37 (5242 days ago) @ HullieAndMikes
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An admonition to write concretely? A hackneyed cliche?

I actually met Coyne when he was on campus researching the book. I think it was at a PLS party (which, like all PLS parties, was RAWK-IN!).

all you need to know

by Jay, San Diego, Friday, February 03, 2012, 07:36 (5242 days ago) @ HullieAndMikes

The looks in the booth sum it up.

Well, I'd recommend a hairshirt and cilice belt over

by BillyGoat @, At Thanksgiving with Joe Bethersontin, Friday, February 03, 2012, 07:28 (5242 days ago) @ HullieAndMikes

learning more about mid-1990s ND football. Trust me. I was there for all of it.

Coyne was actually my teacher in grad school

by HullieAndMikes, Yelling at Sam Cane, Dunedin, Friday, February 03, 2012, 07:13 (5242 days ago) @ Greg

Apparently I was the first Domer he actually taught (and I got him to sign my copy). Best piece of his writing advice: "You don't give someone flowers, you give someone roses."

I haven't read it in ages, maybe I should go back.

Another good one is Domers

by Greg, seemingly ranch, Friday, February 03, 2012, 07:10 (5242 days ago) @ HullieAndMikes

It's not really about ND football so much as ND in general. But it takes place in 1992, which was the start of the greatest 4-year stretch in Notre Dame history and the era on which all future Notre Dame decisions should be based. Everything was perfect -- even the 10 days in 1994 where we didn't see the high side of zero degrees Farenheit were perfectly below-zero freezing our ass off days that added character and showed who the real ND men(tm) were.

In any event, the book may not exactly meet your needs, but it's a friggin' great read.

I always think of that line from The Departed ...

by HullieAndMikes, Yelling at Sam Cane, Dunedin, Friday, February 03, 2012, 07:10 (5242 days ago) @ Greg

"I'm f-ing Irish. I'll deal with something being wrong for the rest of my life."

Irish-Catholic is practically Jewish

by Greg, seemingly ranch, Friday, February 03, 2012, 06:58 (5242 days ago) @ HullieAndMikes

Same jokes, same bad food, same guilt. I mean, at least the Eye-talian Catholics have good food. We get boiled meat and potatoes.

Go ahead, read Eden's book. You'll notice a few familiar names and faces in it, too.

Scott Eden's book covers mostly Willingham

by CK08, Friday, February 03, 2012, 06:49 (5242 days ago) @ HullieAndMikes

Especially the 2004 season, including the Call For Change and some other NDNation-based stuff.

I'm an Irish Catholic. I can't help myself.

by HullieAndMikes, Yelling at Sam Cane, Dunedin, Friday, February 03, 2012, 06:37 (5242 days ago) @ BillyGoat

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And you want to do this, why?

by BillyGoat @, At Thanksgiving with Joe Bethersontin, Friday, February 03, 2012, 06:36 (5242 days ago) @ HullieAndMikes

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Reading suggestions on recent ND football history?

by HullieAndMikes, Yelling at Sam Cane, Dunedin, Friday, February 03, 2012, 06:27 (5242 days ago)

It has struck me recently that I am pretty well-versed in the Rockne, Parseghian, and Weis/Kelly eras of ND football but not really in the 90s. I watched the games but was too young to follow/be interested in the Holtz/Monk/Wadsworth/etc. machinations until I got to campus in 2000.

Anybody know of a good book or magazine articles on this time period? The problem is most of what I know of already is either valedictories on coaches or hit pieces.

Is Touchdown Jesus by Scott Eden the best place to start?

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