Reading suggestions on recent ND football history?

by HullieAndMikes, Yelling at Sam Cane, Dunedin, Friday, February 03, 2012, 06:27 (5241 days ago)

It has struck me recently that I am pretty well-versed in the Rockne, Parseghian, and Weis/Kelly eras of ND football but not really in the 90s. I watched the games but was too young to follow/be interested in the Holtz/Monk/Wadsworth/etc. machinations until I got to campus in 2000.

Anybody know of a good book or magazine articles on this time period? The problem is most of what I know of already is either valedictories on coaches or hit pieces.

Is Touchdown Jesus by Scott Eden the best place to start?

Alan Grant put out an absolutely fantastic book

by Domer99, John Wesley Powell's Expedition Island, Friday, February 03, 2012, 09:17 (5241 days ago) @ HullieAndMikes

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It's a must read.

Um, hopefully this is fully recognized as sarcasm.

Laugh all you want,

by Pete, Friday, February 03, 2012, 10:14 (5241 days ago) @ Domer99

but that book has done an outstanding job holding up a broken shelf in my kitchen cabinet.

Isn't that the source of "you know you need me"?

by CK08, Friday, February 03, 2012, 09:23 (5241 days ago) @ Domer99

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all you need to know

by Jay, San Diego, Friday, February 03, 2012, 07:36 (5241 days ago) @ HullieAndMikes

The looks in the booth sum it up.

Another good one is Domers

by Greg, seemingly ranch, Friday, February 03, 2012, 07:10 (5241 days ago) @ HullieAndMikes

It's not really about ND football so much as ND in general. But it takes place in 1992, which was the start of the greatest 4-year stretch in Notre Dame history and the era on which all future Notre Dame decisions should be based. Everything was perfect -- even the 10 days in 1994 where we didn't see the high side of zero degrees Farenheit were perfectly below-zero freezing our ass off days that added character and showed who the real ND men(tm) were.

In any event, the book may not exactly meet your needs, but it's a friggin' great read.

Coyne was actually my teacher in grad school

by HullieAndMikes, Yelling at Sam Cane, Dunedin, Friday, February 03, 2012, 07:13 (5241 days ago) @ Greg

Apparently I was the first Domer he actually taught (and I got him to sign my copy). Best piece of his writing advice: "You don't give someone flowers, you give someone roses."

I haven't read it in ages, maybe I should go back.

What the hell does that mean?

by Slainte Joe @, Raleigh, Friday, February 03, 2012, 07:37 (5241 days ago) @ HullieAndMikes
edited by Slainte Joe, Friday, February 03, 2012, 08:10

An admonition to write concretely? A hackneyed cliche?

I actually met Coyne when he was on campus researching the book. I think it was at a PLS party (which, like all PLS parties, was RAWK-IN!).

The Big 10 championship is what we play for.

by Greg, seemingly ranch, Friday, February 03, 2012, 08:56 (5241 days ago) @ Slainte Joe

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People hate all other types of flowers.

by KGB, Belly o. the Beast, Friday, February 03, 2012, 08:31 (5241 days ago) @ Slainte Joe

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Just one more nugget of wisdom ...

by Slainte Joe @, Raleigh, Friday, February 03, 2012, 08:41 (5241 days ago) @ KGB

that Coyne picked up at ND.

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It's a condition of acceptance to Notre Dame that all males are to give their SYR dates a single red rose, picked up at the LaFortune flower shop.

One of my friends was PLS

by Jim (fisherj08) @, A Samoan kid's laptop, Friday, February 03, 2012, 08:09 (5241 days ago) @ Slainte Joe

I went to one of her parties once.

People talked about books. A lot.

One of my very good friends from my tiny-ass hometown

by Chris (HCC) @, Paradise, Friday, February 03, 2012, 10:19 (5241 days ago) @ Jim (fisherj08)

was PLS at ND. He and I were the only two people from my town to go there in like 20 years. He was a few years older than me and I went to visit him my senior year of high school.

My conclusion, PLS majors (among his friends, anyway) smoked a TOOOONNNN of weed.

Yeah.

by Slainte Joe @, Raleigh, Friday, February 03, 2012, 09:26 (5241 days ago) @ Jim (fisherj08)

That's what we do.

You know ... when we're not engaged in the whole Sharks v. Jets thing with Philo majors:

"Bitch, you only read excerpts of The Gay Science!"

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Specificity is the soul of narrative.

by Pete, Friday, February 03, 2012, 07:53 (5241 days ago) @ Slainte Joe

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That counterpoints the surrealism of the underlying metaphor

by Jeff (BGS) @, A starter home in suburban Tempe, Friday, February 03, 2012, 08:28 (5241 days ago) @ Pete

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Scott Eden's book covers mostly Willingham

by CK08, Friday, February 03, 2012, 06:49 (5241 days ago) @ HullieAndMikes

Especially the 2004 season, including the Call For Change and some other NDNation-based stuff.

And you want to do this, why?

by BillyGoat @, At Thanksgiving with Joe Bethersontin, Friday, February 03, 2012, 06:36 (5241 days ago) @ HullieAndMikes

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I'm an Irish Catholic. I can't help myself.

by HullieAndMikes, Yelling at Sam Cane, Dunedin, Friday, February 03, 2012, 06:37 (5241 days ago) @ BillyGoat

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Well, I'd recommend a hairshirt and cilice belt over

by BillyGoat @, At Thanksgiving with Joe Bethersontin, Friday, February 03, 2012, 07:28 (5241 days ago) @ HullieAndMikes

learning more about mid-1990s ND football. Trust me. I was there for all of it.

Irish-Catholic is practically Jewish

by Greg, seemingly ranch, Friday, February 03, 2012, 06:58 (5241 days ago) @ HullieAndMikes

Same jokes, same bad food, same guilt. I mean, at least the Eye-talian Catholics have good food. We get boiled meat and potatoes.

Go ahead, read Eden's book. You'll notice a few familiar names and faces in it, too.

I always think of that line from The Departed ...

by HullieAndMikes, Yelling at Sam Cane, Dunedin, Friday, February 03, 2012, 07:10 (5241 days ago) @ Greg

"I'm f-ing Irish. I'll deal with something being wrong for the rest of my life."

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