TdF: Tadej Pogačar blows open the race today, Stage 6

by Joe I @, Thursday, July 09, 2026, 08:23 (13 days ago)

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The most interesting point in the Tour de France leading up to today was that Tadej Pogacar and Jonas Vingegaard let a number of racers fight it out a few days ago at very high temperature in a breakaway. Torstein Traeen took the yellow jersey by almost 8 minutes.

Today was payback. Pogacar blows away the pack and beats Vingegaard by 2:38 in this stage. Traeen crashes and falls way back. Pogacar now takes the yellow and leads Vingegaard by 2:42 and Isaac del Toro by 3:27 for the tour.

Is doping still a big problem?

by omahadomer, Thursday, July 09, 2026, 11:44 (13 days ago) @ Joe I

It's a serious question to which I don't have a clue as to the answer.

My brother was a bicycle racer for Stanford so I used to follow it a little bit (and go to his races if they were close).

My interest has been when there has been an American in contention, notably Lemond and Armstrong. Obviously, the doping allegations about Armstrong were true, though he was far from the only one. How those guys have the cardio fitness to do what they do for three straight weeks is beyond me.

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"Somewhere in Middle America"

Who knows

by terribletr, Saturday, July 11, 2026, 06:21 (11 days ago) @ omahadomer

There is no question that there has been a significant advancement in knowledge since the EPO days.

The miniaturization of electro magnetic motors is an issue.

But to BillyGoat’s point below, the top teams pretty much have to be doing the same things, which means Pogacar is a complete freak of nature and likely the greatest road cyclist ever.

It’s so hot in France right now, I am more concerned about one of the riders have a very bad heat event.

It's pretty clear teams and riders are pushing the limit of

by Joe I @, Thursday, July 09, 2026, 12:39 (13 days ago) @ omahadomer

athletic performance. It also seems likely that teams and riders have a generally good understanding of what others are doing, and are optimizing themselves accordingly. Whether any of that violates either the spirit or intent of the regulations, there will continue to be a gray area in use of otherwise legal medications for performance enhancement. That's likely never going to change, other than an evolving list of medications used and prohibited.

It's unreal what those guys can do --

by omahadomer, Friday, July 10, 2026, 21:40 (11 days ago) @ Joe I

my brother was ridiculously fit. He certainly wasn't doping. It was a club sport (I think) and he wasn't going to race bikes professionally. He's an Apple VP and could buy and sell pretty much all but the top echelon of those riders.

I remember he rode in a multi-day race in the U.S. that was sort of for everyone who didn't ride in the Tour de France. He finished in the peloton the first couple of days but got dropped the next day and I think he bowed out after that. And the kid was like a machine. He inherited the relative "short" genes from my mother's side and he could hill climb like a mother.

The idea that he'd get dropped in basically a Triple A race blew my mind.

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"Somewhere in Middle America"

And this has been my argument for decades...

by BillyGoat @, At Thanksgiving with Joe Bethersontin, Friday, July 10, 2026, 06:50 (12 days ago) @ Joe I

Since everyone is doping (and I thoroughly believe they are), then that's not what's creating the overwhelmingly advantages. Pogacar rides a bike better than anyone on the planet, and maybe better than anyone ever has.

He crushed Jonas on the stage despite Jonas setting a 2+min PR up the Tormalet. Of course, most of the damage was done after that summit.

He's tough as nails.

by San Pedro @, Thursday, July 09, 2026, 10:17 (13 days ago) @ Joe I

Just an absolute mental case out there on the climbs. He always has an extra gear it seems.

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