FU: Morning after thoughts

by HCE, Tuesday, July 07, 2026, 06:04 (15 days ago)
edited by HCE, Tuesday, July 07, 2026, 08:31

The last few days have been horribly uncomfortable. Trump's grotesque intervention was bad enough, but watching all these awful people, from Ted Cruz to Riley Gaines to Dave Portnoy, jump gleefully on the USMNT bandwagon to push their their ugly politics, was jarring. For those of us who had been dreading a MAGA takeover of the World Cup, but still hoping that maybe, for once, the narrative would be about the football, or if politics need intrude, about the diversity of a team that could be our version of that great, diverse French side of 1998, this all sucked.

The above reminds me of that Community episode where Pierce "indecent proposals" Troy and Abed to take their handshake and it doesn't feel the same anymore, or maybe that episode where Pierce finds Jeff and Troy's secret trampoline and forces Troy to double-bounce him. Either way, Trump and his sycophants are clearly the Chevy Chase of this scenario.

As for the game itself, why bother? Everyone was terrible, with the possible exceptions of Tillman and Balogun. I refuse to believe that the surrounding bullshit didn't affect the team, whatever Poch and the players say. We looked dazed from kickoff, even before we started shipping goals via inexplicable mistakes. Obviously, Belgium were better, but the gap in talent is not so profound as it seemed.

The only one to come out of L'affaire Balogun well is Balogun himself, who was all class before, during, and after. He deserved much, much better.

I have no idea what to make of Poch right now, whose tenure produced three wonderful matches, one horrible one, and a bunch of meh, meaningless football along the way. I suppose I'd be good with an extension through 2028, but 2030 seems unearned and a long way off.

The best thing US Soccer can do is to cement a place for itself and its CONCACAF brethren in an expanded Copa America. We need a second tournament to build on the momentum of the past two weeks, to keep the casual fans tuned in, and the Gold Cup just won't do it. There have been rumors that we might get to host again in 2028, but I could hardly fault COMNEBOL for not wanting to do business with us.

I remain all in on this team, this sport, and this sport's future in America. I love this game, even if it clearly doesn't love me back.

If you have Sirius XM

by Bryan (IrishCavan), Howth Castle and Environs, Tuesday, July 07, 2026, 08:57 (15 days ago) @ HCE

listen to the interview with Bob Bradley on the Football Show on FC. I think he nails it.

Great thoughts.

by PMan @, The Banks of the Spokane River, Tuesday, July 07, 2026, 08:22 (15 days ago) @ HCE

The whole Balogun situation was stupid; bad card, bad behavior by the President and his sycophants, bad decision by FIFA to "correct" their bad card. Hopefully, Balogun will not be hampered by it all, and will thrive off arguably the best Cup by a US 9 ever.

Unlike Bryan, I think Weston McKennie starts in almost everyone's midfield. A healthy Tyler Adams is an excellent defensive midfielder, and he'll get his first taste of Europa League this year. Tillman was great overall, and hopefully that will translate into minutes at Leverkusen. Richards at Palace is getting tons of experience. Balogun scored massive goals against PSG. We'll see what happens with Coventry and Haji in the likely 26-27 relegation battle in the Prem.

Pulisic had an empty tournament, minus those few minutes against Paraguay. Jedi and Dest playing poorly along with Pulisic last night was out of character.

Belgium was as talented in the midfield as the US, and tactics neutralized that one US strength. It got back to even once Poch went to a back 4 at halftime, took Dest out at the wing, and added another midfielder. Gio Reyna even looked pretty good. Then, Matt Freese happened.

Belgium is just better at the back. And Ream got posterized by De Ketelaere.

I think Poch was fine for this group in this 2-year, no-qualifying circumstance. He was going to be judged on this Cup, and the 3 wins were fun. But the end result was the same.

I don't think Poch is the best fit for the CONCACAF qualifiers scenario the US has over the next four years. Hosting a '28 Copa would be great intermingled with qualifiers. The next coach needs to find some talented defenders and goalkeepers in the next young group, and start playing them. I don't know that Kochen going to the Danish Superleague from Barcelona B for minutes will get him places; Slonina got that Chelsea contract, but minutes for the likes of Barnsley aren't going to get him to GK1 for the US.

Conversation has it that USSF is going to try to overhaul the youth system off the back of this Cup, but haven't heard details, yet.

some unwarranted thoughts from my end

by Costa Rican @, the central american Jungle!, Tuesday, July 07, 2026, 10:28 (14 days ago) @ PMan

starting with disagreement on the midfields being equal. They are not. Pulisic is a really good player, but branding and the desire to have an alpha dog for the world cup elevated him to a level that he doenst have. Yes he is one of the better players for the US, but just doesn't belong in the same group at the top of the class. Belgium's #10 (forget his last name) has that wiggle and finesse to be in that group and even him is not there. So going back to the point of midfield being equal is only a mirage.

The point you guys continue to make on the development system is a critical one. When you get to this point in the WC, that extra 0.1 seconds to make a play is not there and it matters. Passes are slightly off, or you have to play it back, because ball control wasn't as fluid as it was during the initial games. Those little things players worked on for years, become muscle memory through their development years. I am not sure how the elite teams in the US manage tactics, individual technique, player position details (press, support, where to move). I know what I saw/experienced when living in the US, didn't address the things above. It is fine before 13 to almost run around the field and figure it out, but once you get to 13 and up, it is vital to address those things. Some of the individual technique does need to be done earlier. The little boy playing with a ball even by himself in the street is the seed that needs to be nurtured, for the player, not for the academy. That seems to be in a different order in the US.

I know it is tough now. The true Olympus in world football is reached by only a few. I think the US has enough passionate fans to will itself into going at least one more echelon into the WC, but it will be because the fundamentals are there, not because the economics of it will it into reality. Talk of winning the WC is too distracting to be allowed into a locker room. You do not hear it from France, Argentina, Spain, and they have the goods for it.

See you in the gold cup.

I don't consider Pulisic or Trossard as midfielders.

by PMan @, The Banks of the Spokane River, Tuesday, July 07, 2026, 10:42 (14 days ago) @ Costa Rican
edited by PMan, Tuesday, July 07, 2026, 10:54

Might be semantics. Even then, Arsenal seem to be selling Trossard away... Pulisic as the great hope is a different problem.

Tielemans / Raskin / Onana (Vanaken) vs. Adams / McKennie / Tillman

Tielemans and Onana are at Villa. Raskin is at Rangers. Vanaken who replaced the injured Onana is at Club Brugge.

Adams (Bournemouth), McKennie (Juventus), and Tillman (Leverkusen) are at least equals on paper.

edit: part of the Belgium success in the first half was clogging the midfield and then bypassing it entirely on offense, going long, and putting pressure on Ream and Freeman as the outside CBs.

my thoughts

by Costa Rican @, the central american Jungle!, Tuesday, July 07, 2026, 12:00 (14 days ago) @ PMan

you are looking at it from the angle that since they are in Europe and playing in those clubs then they are a match. I look at it from the mental and physical skill levels and I don't think they are on par. But as you said semantics a bit. If you view Pulisic more on the wing/attack side of things, I put those into the midfield level, not really strikers, and even on the wing, I would take Doku over Pulisic every time. Even an decaying De Bruyne still has an edge, that for whatever reason Pulisic can't take it to when the team needs it.

Having said, having those players in those clubs will elevate things, more like open doors for the next Gen. Not sure who mentioned Fulham here, but Costa Rica's #10 in 2014 played from PSV into Fulham at that time, Bryan Ruiz, and he was an absolute cracker of a player. The club, mostly their coach, sat him on the bench and then got canned as they started to go into relegation. But he had high quality regardless of club - havent seen one like that since. Sadly.

Didn't they already change the eligibility calendar?

by HullieAndMikes, Yelling at Sam Cane, Dunedin, Tuesday, July 07, 2026, 08:33 (15 days ago) @ PMan

I got some email after my son's fall soccer stint about how they are rejiggering the age bracket cutoffs.

How much say does the governing body have in any of this? Seems to me that national sides in general get wagged by the club sides, and that it is even worse for the USA.

They did

by MTIrish, Tuesday, July 07, 2026, 09:02 (15 days ago) @ HullieAndMikes

My son has a November, 2012 birthday. He has transitioned from a 2012 cohort to a new cohort which blends 8/1/12 - 7/31/13.

I'm too far removed from the US youth system...

by PMan @, The Banks of the Spokane River, Tuesday, July 07, 2026, 08:41 (15 days ago) @ HullieAndMikes
edited by PMan, Tuesday, July 07, 2026, 08:47

these days to know any more than it is broken, and USSF seems to understand that and want to at least try to remedy issues. There were some interviews with US Soccer people in various articles and podcasts after Matt Crocker went to the Saudis, and they all hinted at significant changes.

I get the sense that Poch wants a club job

by Bryan (IrishCavan), Howth Castle and Environs, Tuesday, July 07, 2026, 06:33 (15 days ago) @ HCE
edited by Bryan (IrishCavan), Tuesday, July 07, 2026, 06:39

but that is speculation on my part (well, if rumors are true, he has been actively seeking a club job, but who knows if that is true).

I do think the talent difference is wide, particularly when it comes to depth. We can't rely on our most talented player because he is oft injured. The supposedly American golden generation hasn't turned out to be so golden. Our 2 most talented players, Pulisic and McKinney, could only find roles in a relatively weak Series A. Dest and Weah never reached their projected heights. Reyna seems to have maturity issues or, at least, can't seem to find a place on a club team. Turner was a bust at Arsenal. Robinson has arguably been the most successful but has been hampered by injuries the past year or so. Richardson has been a surprise; probably the same with Berhaldter, who needs to move to Europe to improve. We simply lack a world class player and the GK and CB situations are dire.

I do completely agree with you that the Bolagun controversy affected the mentality of the team.

The job is a poisoned chalice

by MTIrish, Tuesday, July 07, 2026, 07:53 (15 days ago) @ Bryan (IrishCavan)

For the U.S. to become a consistent force in international football, our youth development system would need a fundamental overhaul—and U.S. Soccer has shown little willingness to pursue that kind of change.

In many ways, it's similar to healthcare. We've built a system that works exceptionally well for some, leaves many others behind, and is protected by entrenched interests that make meaningful reform incredibly difficult.

My son will be playing both N1 and EA this year, and I'm coaching in a tournament this weekend with teams from WPL, RCL, MLS Next, and EA. Here in Washington, many of the state's top players are in ECNL or MLS Next programs, where clubs have effectively created a tiered structure under recognizable brands like Seattle United and Crossfire. Parents are often drawn to the badge more than the actual level of play, creating a revenue stream that allows clubs to expand while helping subsidize costs for their top teams. The result is a system where financial barriers remain for most families, while the best-developed players receive the greatest investment.

Outside the traditional club pathway, elite travel teams are now taking players overseas to compete against professional academies, adding yet another layer to an already fragmented landscape.

There really isn't another youth soccer system like ours. It's fragmented, incentive-driven, and built around competing organizations rather than a unified player development model. Without structural change, it's hard to see how the outcomes change.

Given that reality who would want to take on the job of leading a national team built on top of this system?

National team jobs are inherently crappy

by HCE, Tuesday, July 07, 2026, 08:28 (15 days ago) @ MTIrish

Even the best of them put managers in charge of a player pool recruited and trained by other people for the telos of a three game regular season played with the entire world watching. If you're lucky, you might do well enough to earn a second World Cup cycle, after which you'll probably get fired anyway for doing worse than you did the first time. They're all poisoned chalices.

That's not to say that our youth system isn't terrible--it is, and I'll defer to you on the specifics--but I suspect that any prospective USMNT manager will look much harder at the immediate player pool than at the U-15s and below.

Fair points...

by MTIrish, Tuesday, July 07, 2026, 08:40 (15 days ago) @ HCE

Refresh my memory (not a rhetorical flourish, I'm old and enjoy the odd drink) didn't trying to reform our development pathways contribute to Klinsmann's exit?

Klinsmann wanted quicker change in the youth setup...

by PMan @, The Banks of the Spokane River, Tuesday, July 07, 2026, 08:46 (15 days ago) @ MTIrish

than US Soccer wanted to or could do. Some of the same problems a decade later...

But the blasting by Costa Rica in qualifying got him canned.

And private equity is starting to rear its head

by Jeremy (WeIsND), Offices of Babip Pecota Vorp & Eckstein, Tuesday, July 07, 2026, 08:22 (15 days ago) @ MTIrish

Both in tournaments and even in buying up teams themselves. Can't imagine that's going to improve any of this.

I don't mean to overstate our talent levels

by HCE, Tuesday, July 07, 2026, 07:07 (15 days ago) @ Bryan (IrishCavan)

You're right about our depth issues and our problems at goalkeeper and at the back--we are indeed miles away from the elite sides. I just don't think we are, on balance, three goals worse than Belgium.

I appreciate that that's a tough case to make, given that Belgium keep beating us by three goals, but I honestly don't think we were exposed last night; I think we just flopped. Maybe the moment was too big, or the distractions too many, but to see every player have their worst game and make so many basic, inexplicable errors, all at once, was almost freakish. I don't know, maybe I'm crazy, but it just feels more like our version of the Mineiraço than a metacommentaty on the state of our program.

It felt like both things were true. 1. Belgium is at least a

by BillyGoat @, At Thanksgiving with Joe Bethersontin, Tuesday, July 07, 2026, 07:14 (15 days ago) @ HCE

bit better than we are and was the more likely team to win and 2. We could beat them if we continued to play well, but we didn't.

Belgium seemed like a clear step up from our first four opponents. Their pressure on the ball was very effective. But the game felt uncompetitive for all but maybe 5 minutes. And I don't think that should have been the case.

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