RIP Coach Holtz.
by Silk, St. Louis, Wednesday, March 04, 2026, 13:38 (146 days ago)
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I have an enormous amount of love and appreciation for Holtz
by Ken Fowler, Thursday, March 05, 2026, 10:32 (145 days ago) @ Silk
Holtz provided a great example of how to be part of an organization. He understood that people not only need somebody to love, but they also want to be loved. He also left an indelible mark on so many people he coached and with whom he worked or interacted.
I had connected with him a few times in the 2010s through his assistant, Angie. When Beth was sick in 2018, I reached out and Lou responded. One of the things he said was this: "we do have a strong faith in God and we also realize that he’s never left anybody down here yet."
I love that statement, and I'm happy that he had such confidence and faith as he approached the end.
I once wrote a pep talk for Charlie Weis
by Jay, San Diego, Thursday, March 05, 2026, 09:22 (145 days ago) @ Silk
edited by Jay, Thursday, March 05, 2026, 09:27
in the voice of Lou, in the middle of the '07 debacle and right after the streak breaker loss to Navy.
I basically cobbled together his greatest hits and added some stuff. Fun to re-read:
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https://bluegraysky.blogspot.com/2007/11/cue-lou.html
Right about now, nobody could use a pep talk more than Charlie Weis.
"Charlie, nothing's ever as good as it seems. And nothing's ever as bad as it seems. Somewhere in the middle is where reality falls.
Now it's been a bad year. We just lost to the University of the Navy and it broke one of the biggest streaks in college football history. But we can't worry about Navy, that's in the past. It's not like they can break the streak again.
Charlie you've made some mistakes. With these young guys on the team you needed to teach them to block and tackle and that's all about practice and repetition. A fisherman without tackle dudn't catch any fish, but a linebacker who can't tackle loses football games. You've made some mistakes. But everybody makes mistakes. When Notre Dame burnt to the ground, Father Sorin said his biggest mistake was that he didn't built it big enough. And when this team has been broken down and defeated, you're going to work harder to build the team back bigger and better than ever before, because that's the only way you can achieve greatness.
Never forget you've got a family. I'm not talking about your wife and kids, I'm talking about the Notre Dame family. One of the special things about the University of Notre Dame is that they will pick you up when you've stumbled. Now when you gather 'round the Thanksgiving dinner table, do you kick out the uncle who backed over the family dog? No, you don't. He made a mistake. And poor Rover paid the price. But you stand by your family, even when they make mistakes. Our fans may be disgruntled. Hell, I'm disgruntled, Charlie. But it's because I and everybody else under the Dome want to win just as badly as you. The good thing is football fans have a shorter memory than a goldfish. People may not remember your two BCS trips as well as they should, but the beauty of it is they'll forget these losses as soon as a couple wins start popping up.
The first step in winning the football game tomorrow is believing you can win the football game. Charlie, when the big ball in New York dropped at midnight last January your coaching abilities didn't go out the window. You've had a lifetime of success and that doesn't disappear overnight. Look around you, you're surrounded by a staff that didn't come here to lose, and players that didn't come here to lose. And we know you didn't come here to lose. So look on the bright side. You're all on the same page! That's a foundation for success. You believe you can win, your coaches believe you can win, your players believe you can win. And even when the players are doubting themselves you can inspire them to win. When you squeeze an orange, you get orange juice. But when you squeeze a Notre Dame player, you get a winner, because that's what's inside us all.
Now tomorrow, we've got a challenge. The Air Force Academy is a tough and disciplined group. They execute well and they've got more heart than just about any team I've ever seen. We're gonna get their best. But you can rest easy knowing they don't get to use their jets or sidewinder missiles on the field of play. Tomorrow, they're just another group of guys in pads. And I guarantee you this: they don't have a monopoly on heart. Because if I can bank on anything this year it's that this Notre Dame team does not quit. We have players who believe. They believe in the University of Notre Dame, and they believe in their coaches. They want to win, every second of every game.
When Rockne gave his famous talk he said let's get out there and win one for the Gipper. Well, we're at 1-8 right now, so we got our One. But nobody ever said we had to win just One for the Gipper. We can win a couple more and here's how it's gonna happen.
Tomorrow I want you to find a play that's successful. And then I want you to find another one. You string a couple of those plays together and you get a first down. A couple of those and you've got a touchdown. A couple of those and you've got a win. And a couple of those . . . well that's how you get a championship. But don't forget, it all started with that one successful play.
And always remember this: You're only one win away from starting an undefeated streak. Now get out there and beat Air Force."
RIP
by HumanRobot
, Cybertron, Thursday, March 05, 2026, 07:10 (146 days ago) @ Silk
All I know is his former players hold him in the highest regard.
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Freeman's got so much riz they need to call him Aura Parseghian
He passed on Rockne’s 138 birthday.
by NDinVA
, Yorktown, VA, Wednesday, March 04, 2026, 22:42 (146 days ago) @ Silk
edited by NDinVA, Wednesday, March 04, 2026, 23:47
I’ve found that I can still love people whose politics I abhor.
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1BXePUQ6J4/?mibextid=wwXIfr
RiP Coach.
as a freshman in ‘88 he sure made college fun
by Jay, San Diego, Wednesday, March 04, 2026, 16:27 (146 days ago) @ Silk
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He is an abject lesson in what it means to succeed at ND
by Dallasdomer, Wednesday, March 04, 2026, 18:21 (146 days ago) @ Jay
And how hard it is to maintain success. He was famously needy for affirmation, which led to his untimely departure. But he set the standard for modern success and his warm embrace of Freeman no doubt aided his growth in the job.
He always had very conservative, and sometimes off-putting, politics, which seemed to worsen with age. But he loved ND and, until Freeman, we never had anyone quite like that again. You can say Weis, but he was such a self important person, even with the short term success he had, that it obscured his affection for the university.
I know others will disagree
by Domer99, John Wesley Powell's Expedition Island, Wednesday, March 04, 2026, 19:19 (146 days ago) @ Dallasdomer
And I was there for the last part of his tenure, but his politics will always taint my memory of him. I am sure it's not fair and that's fine. But reminds me of the old adage, don't meet your heroes. RIP Lou.
I'm 100% in this camp.
by Chris, Raleigh, NC, Thursday, March 05, 2026, 07:46 (145 days ago) @ Domer99
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"F--- everyone who isn't us."
#Team128
I'm with you.
by oviedoirish
, Oviedo, Florida, Thursday, March 05, 2026, 05:19 (146 days ago) @ Domer99
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My FR yr was his last.
by domer.mq
, Wednesday, March 04, 2026, 19:27 (146 days ago) @ Domer99
He lost to Air Force and was deeply unpleasant in the 2 interactions I had with him, 1 of which can't even really be called an interaction.
I still thought he was a god.
And then he started talking politics, and I realized he was just a deeply unpleasant person.
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Sometimes I rhyme slow sometimes I rhyme quick.
yet he engendered a lot of loyalty from former players
by Jay, San Diego, Wednesday, March 04, 2026, 20:18 (146 days ago) @ domer.mq
many of whom probably would have found him disagreeable if he had been anyone else. A complicated legacy to be sure.
But being on campus when he was in his prime was unforgettable. He was firing on all cylinders. And he was legitimately hilarious. RIP Lou, I’ll cherish those times and forget the rest.
Bobby Brown didn't pull any punches there.
by MattG, Thursday, March 05, 2026, 08:22 (145 days ago) @ Jay
edited by MattG, Thursday, March 05, 2026, 08:26
And he wasn't just talking about himself - he said he'd talked with a lot of other players and that they'd "literally shed tears" watching the "hero they'd loved and adored" call racial protests "whining". He said they basically "watched (Lou) die right in front of their eyes."
I think that there were quite a few players with extremely complicated feelings about Lou. He said that if Holtz doesn't address it, former players will start saying "not MY coach". I don't know that Holtz ever addressed any of it, or really cared to.
Honestly, we can excuse a lot of Lou's politics about being old or whatever. But his quote about the racial justice protests -with the context of his former player Demetrius Dubose being shot by cops - is not really the kind of thing we can excuse.
"I think there’s an awful lot of things that happen in this country, but I want you to know, I’ve been unfairly ticketed. I was given a ticket when I didn’t exceed the speed limit because I was coaching at one school and the patrol officer graduated from the other and he let me know he was bitter about this fact—that happens in life."
Yes, Lou. It's exactly like the time you were unfairly given a speeding ticket. I'm sure the cop saw you go past and was like 'THAT'S LOU I"M GONNA GET HIM."
That's his prerogative
by ndbk32
, Los Angeles, Thursday, March 05, 2026, 11:14 (145 days ago) @ MattG
Sorry, couldn't help myself.
I've always wondered how Lou could square his political beliefs with his role model persona, considering the percentage of his charges who were black. And how his players could square everything from their perspective.
Holtz could have just been a successful college coach, but he leaned into his image as a role model... and he was great at it. Inspirational, funny, serious, formative... I won't take that away from him.
But he very clearly held troubling views on race. Remember, he campaigned for Jesse Helms in '83. So his politics are not a late-in-life, retired and watching Fox news development. And that undercuts everything else he did, said or preached. Which is a damn shame.
ties together with some of his most famous quotes
by Jay, San Diego, Thursday, March 05, 2026, 11:32 (145 days ago) @ ndbk32
edited by Jay, Thursday, March 05, 2026, 11:46
* "Don't tell people your problems. Ninety percent don't care, and the rest are glad you have them."
* "The player complaining about how the ball bounced was probably the one who dropped it."
In sports (or any mentoring) these are great bon mots, but applied generally you can see how it turns more problematic.
"Motivation is simple, you eliminate those who are
by IrishGuard, Thursday, March 05, 2026, 19:02 (145 days ago) @ Jay
unmotivated."
Sure, Lou. Come try that in, say, my classroom.
Thanks for this
by bobbywal, Oak Park, Thursday, March 05, 2026, 17:42 (145 days ago) @ Jay
probably pretty accurate.
mixed bag for sure
by Jay, San Diego, Thursday, March 05, 2026, 08:29 (145 days ago) @ MattG
Here's Aaron Taylor. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ShPylmF3TAE
Complicated indeed.
by Grantland, y'allywood, Thursday, March 05, 2026, 07:04 (146 days ago) @ Jay
He left the program in a bit of disarray - maybe pushed the limits a little too far.
In my estimation he was the fifth greatest coach in ND history. Maybe you move him ahead of Harper.
1. Rock
2. Leahy
3. Ara
4. Harper
5. Lou
He left ND and coached at South Carolina. That always got on my nerves, probably a me [arrogant ND fan] problem.
My interactions with him [very few and at SC] were meh.
His politics sucked.
But my Senior year was the best largely cuz of him.
He was stabbed in the back, but there's more to the fall.
by San Pedro
, Thursday, March 05, 2026, 09:02 (145 days ago) @ Grantland
Imagine what would have happened if they left him and Vinny alone? We probably would have won two more titles during his tenure. Now, I think he became sour the last couple years - 1994 appeared to really break him.
The prevailing opinion on campus during the mid 90s was that he had worn out his welcome with the administration, and his approach was grating on the players. He had at least one inexcusable, baffling loss every year after 1989. Some evidence that they tuned him out on occasion.
I blame myself, frankly.
by MattG, Thursday, March 05, 2026, 09:20 (145 days ago) @ San Pedro
I received my acceptance letter on November 19, 1993. They lost to BC the next day.
I showed up on campus in the fall of 1994, and they immediately just fell apart. The team was 4-3 after getting smacked around by BC and BYU.
Then they lost to FSU, tied USC after missing extra points, and got absolutely trucked by Colorado. They started the next season losing at home to Northwestern.
The magic would not return for decades, when ND rejected my son's admission in the fall of 2024 - thereby resetting the timeline. They promptly rolled to the national title game.
Perfect. Hah.
by San Pedro
, Thursday, March 05, 2026, 10:03 (145 days ago) @ MattG
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We may have won two more titles BUT we'd prolly would have
by Grantland, y'allywood, Thursday, March 05, 2026, 09:18 (145 days ago) @ San Pedro
gotten the death penalty which is effectively what happened internally.
I exaggerate a bit, but it was getting pretty wild.
Any of you all ever know Dan Quinn? Anecdotal but whew!
Nebraska won with Phillips.
by San Pedro
, Thursday, March 05, 2026, 10:03 (145 days ago) @ Grantland
ND would have survived.
Quinn had some serious problems
by Jay, San Diego, Thursday, March 05, 2026, 09:37 (145 days ago) @ Grantland
Didn't he resurface on the web or on youtube in recent years?
He's an important figure for the dirtbag left.
by Romulox, Thursday, March 05, 2026, 13:10 (145 days ago) @ Jay
Yes. Bitching about Holtz IIRC.
by Grantland, y'allywood, Thursday, March 05, 2026, 10:55 (145 days ago) @ Jay
I like to think he was a good man with the politics
by atxND, Thursday, March 05, 2026, 04:26 (146 days ago) @ Jay
of a mean, small-minded person. That’s hard to square for most of us - usually they go pretty closely hand-in-hand, but I suppose we can allow that somebody can be both things… decent as a social human being and less so as to political inclinations and support? Schroedinger’s Lou. Who knows?
"Do I contradict myself?
by Flann
, Central New Jersey, Friday, March 06, 2026, 06:03 (145 days ago) @ atxND
Very well then I contradict myself
(I am large, I contain multitudes)"
Most people are complicated.
This is pretty good as well
by bobbywal, Oak Park, Thursday, March 05, 2026, 17:57 (145 days ago) @ atxND
In a phone call tonight my dad shared the Greenberg story, which was on one of his first days at ESPN Greeny and Holtz were trucking somewhere and MG mentioned his wife was expecting. Lou stopped dead, pointed his finger in his face and said "the most important thing you can do for a child is show, every day, how much you love their mother".
It's some damn good advice. I assume he has a bunch of these nuggets. I'm pretty sure he didn't live up to them in many ways. But, who can?
Schroedinger’s Lou - I like that.
by oviedoirish
, Oviedo, Florida, Thursday, March 05, 2026, 08:14 (145 days ago) @ atxND
That's like my MIL's family members, who are from southern Alabama. Very nice to people they know and would help out any way they could, but also ignorant of the world, super racist, and therefore magas.
90% of my high school friends.
by Grantland, y'allywood, Thursday, March 05, 2026, 06:56 (146 days ago) @ atxND
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I feel the same about Tuberville
by okerland
, The right side of the Bay Bridge, Wednesday, March 04, 2026, 22:31 (146 days ago) @ Jay
Tommy says some of the dumbest stuff on TV and never won a national title yet not a single former player is ever on TV calling him an idiot.