Re: Looking at what Golden does schematically

by Mike (bart), Monday, November 18, 2024, 08:40 (555 days ago)

The #1 thing Golden does is take away a quarterback's ability to easily diagnose what type of coverage we are going to see. There's a lot of scheme involved, but it starts with personnel selection.

Remember what some of the things are an OC will do to help a quarterback:

+ against zone, they'll call plays that "stretch" a given defender into a no-win situation. Think of a "smash" concept (hitch by an outside receiver, corner by an inside receiver) against a Cover 2 corner: if he drifts back in such a way that he might play the corner the hitch will be open and vice versa

+ they'll call man beaters to one side of the field and zone beaters to another, with obvious #1 reads in either scenario

+ They'll us motion to a) get the defense to declare whether it's in zone or man coverage and b) create matchups wherein a poor man defender is matched up with a quick receiver (to create an obvious "first read" type matchup)

To counteract those two "go to" tricks, it all starts with having guys who can play man coverage.

The more guys who can man-cover a) the less able an OC is to give his QB easy reads and, importantly, b) the more able Golden is to disguise/bluff. That is, a QB can't by process of elimination look at the defense and say "Well, I know it is X defensive scheme, because if it were Y or Z, that would mean they'd be leaving the free safety in man coverage, and they wouldn't do that . . . or if they do it's easy money." We regularly put at least five dudes on the field who can lock up man-to-man. We don't always have all (or many) of them in man-to-man, but we could and you've got to spend precious time post-snap diagnosing what is what.

Getting those many good coverage guys organized lets you do a lot, even within a play. Look at the last play against Louisville:

https://youtu.be/2G4BSXReYzw?feature=shared&t=9051


ND is showing (imo) a relatively common defense called "Cover-1 Robber." Essentially, everyone is in man to man but there is one safety deep (Watts) handling the deepest threat and one safety in the short zone (Shuler) trying to read the quarterback and "Rob" anything over the middle.

Louisville, it looks like, is running a concept in which they are sending a shallow crossers horizontally in the intermediate zones and a deep crosser coming from the field side to the boundary side. They probably felt pretty good when they saw how ND lined up. The thought would have been that Shough could look first to the crosser moving from the field slot into the boundary (picked up by Rod Heard), and this read would cause the robber (Shuler) to jump that route. The robber accounted for, Morrison would have the very difficult task of chasing a crosser all the way across the field. Then, even if Morrison somehow were all over that, then the nickel (Clark) would have the very, very difficult job of tracking a deep crosser all the way across the field. One of those two things are going to be open against a C-1 Robber look, you have to figure.

Look at this screenshot: https://youtu.be/2G4BSXReYzw?feature=shared&t=9082


At this point, you have to believe Morrison is cooked and Shuler is coming down on the right to left crosser (Heard's guy). But that's not the defense! It's not Shuler who is the Robber, it's Morrison! Shuler is picking up the left-to-right crosser in man, and, having started the play several yards inside of the crosser, has great leverage and can cover man really well. That route is dead. Shough then looks to the deep crosser but Morrison has drifted back to rob that, double covered! Shough doesn't know what the hell to do. He looks around, wildly pump fakes to nothing a couple of times, and decides to just launch it deep, where Moore and Watts are double covering a guy who is likely never designed to get the ball on this play anyway. Game over.

Now, this is a lot of pixels spilled about just the pass defense, but that's appropriate. It's what ND actually cares about much more than overloading against the run. The confusion generated does help with the run game as well, though. By making it difficult for an offense to be sure of what they are seeing, you make it very unlikely that every single blocking call is going to look exactly clear to all the blockers. You might not always win at the point of attack, but you are very likely to get an unblocked guy (a "free hitter") to the point of attack within a few yards of the LOS. Fortunately, our free hitters have done a great job tackling, but you have seen examples when they miss and it becomes an explosive (Shuler on the long run by Stanford
in the first quarter this year, DJ Brown against Clemson and Louisville last year, Watts vs. Ohio State last year).

All in all, though, it's a top notch defensive scheme. Strategically well chosen, players developed extremely well towards its goals, obviously well installed and exquisitely executed.

Look at the big brain on bart!

by BPH, San Diego, Monday, November 18, 2024, 10:20 (555 days ago) @ Mike (bart)

You used to coach football, right? Something of a Busco Lite?

He got his start scribbling plays in the dirt.

by San Pedro @, More than 100 feet from Bob Davies, Monday, November 18, 2024, 10:53 (555 days ago) @ BPH

You may have heard of the team. They were called Goosebumps! and that's an accurate description of the physical state in which they placed most opponents.

RL Stine sent us a signed photo

by Mike (bart), Monday, November 18, 2024, 10:56 (555 days ago) @ San Pedro
edited by Mike (bart), Monday, November 18, 2024, 11:08

We'd kiss it before games, right after we ran through the banner my future wife had had her students make the Friday before the game.


Goosebumps! Goosebumps!
Scaring you -- and everyone else!

Goosebumps! Goosebumps!
--- Watch out!

Any Wimpy Kid Diaries enjoyers?

by HumanRobot @, Cybertron, Monday, November 18, 2024, 15:43 (555 days ago) @ Mike (bart)

I get a kick out of 'IM Spooky'

--
Freeman's got so much riz they need to call him Aura Parseghian

My daughter is obsessed

by Jeremy (WeIsND), Offices of Babip Pecota Vorp & Eckstein, Monday, November 18, 2024, 16:10 (554 days ago) @ HumanRobot

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Hah! The legend grows.

by San Pedro @, More than 100 feet from Bob Davies, Monday, November 18, 2024, 12:12 (555 days ago) @ Mike (bart)

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Yes, Chicago Public League

by Mike (bart), Monday, November 18, 2024, 10:44 (555 days ago) @ BPH

Small ball, 30 kids or so per team across all four classes. The odd super talented kid though. WR/DB, all things passing. Acting HC record of 2-0 when the head guy got suspended for playing a kid against Bulls Prep we knew was going to be ineligible for grades (long story)

Xs & Os vs. Jimmys and Joes

by BillyGoat @, At Thanksgiving with Joe Bethersontin, Monday, November 18, 2024, 09:16 (555 days ago) @ Mike (bart)

Great post. I also think one key to the Golden defense has been the synchronization between coverages and pressures. We had so many plays under Lea where we got pressure but were playing soft coverage behind it and allowed completions. Lea, on the whole, was awesome. But the timing was off in those situations. With Golden, we get pressure and I'm pretty sure we don't just force a quick throw, but we force the quick throw that we want and are sitting on. Easy pass defended (if not a pick).

But Golden has also benefitted from a great deal of continuity by some really smart and experienced players up the middle of the defense.

Overall, Golden's Ds have been a whole greater than the sum of their parts. Some really good parts in there, to be sure.

But we are going to have a LOT to replace next year, losing our best corner in a generation (Morrison), an elite college safety and turnover machine (X), the all-time leader in games played (Kiser), an undersized but relentless horror movie villain in the middle (Cross), and Mills. To say nothing of two absolutely critical transfer acquisitions in Clark and Heard.

I'm excited for the guys we do bring back. Cautiously optimistic that we will sustain our level of play at LB. Gray and Moore seem up to the task at corner (though depth is a concern). Shuler has shown a lot at safety (but his running mate is totally unclear). Burnham, Young, Botelho, and Traore should be a very good DE group. We definitely need significant help inside on DL and definitely a DB or two.

How difficult is Golden's D to learn and execute?

by Grantland, y'allywood, Monday, November 18, 2024, 08:56 (555 days ago) @ Mike (bart)

I ask because it sounds difficult but his kids never seem to be playing tight. So, either it is not as hard as it sounds or he is a great teacher?

rarely do you see a blown coverage

by Jay, San Diego, Monday, November 18, 2024, 09:11 (555 days ago) @ Grantland

which means that our guys know their assignments (which means the system is learnable and the coaching is good).

But I also think speed has a lot to do with it. We just have fast guys who can cover ground. There were a few times I thought UVA would reach the edge and get a big gain but NOPE.

IMO, those types of plays are more about playing fast

by BillyGoat @, At Thanksgiving with Joe Bethersontin, Monday, November 18, 2024, 09:18 (555 days ago) @ Jay

than being fast. Our overall level of athleticism is very good. Far beyond what it was for years. But those plays are more about instincts and understanding assignments than anything else. When our CB properly takes on the edge blocker, our LB coming across for the tackle is allowed to look faster.

The defense has been a masterpiece of aggression and soundness, all in one.

might we say it is an exhilarating tension

by Jay, San Diego, Monday, November 18, 2024, 09:20 (555 days ago) @ BillyGoat

between Being and Becoming?

You post like someone married to a theologian.

by BillyGoat @, At Thanksgiving with Joe Bethersontin, Monday, November 18, 2024, 09:22 (555 days ago) @ Jay

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our defense transcends the boundary

by Jay, San Diego, Monday, November 18, 2024, 09:24 (555 days ago) @ BillyGoat

between fury and repose

I think Watts has been a big key

by Mike (bart), Monday, November 18, 2024, 09:04 (555 days ago) @ Grantland

to your question: it's an NFL style defense. If you approach the teaching (and learning) with professionalism it is learnable and clearly we have a great setup for that.

Watts seems to really have mastery inside-and-out. Always in the right spot and I imagine most of the lack of busts can be attributed to him. In most cases a defensive call will come in and there will be a lot that can change contingent on new information: formations, motions, substitutions, etc. You need someone out there who knows the answers and everyone trusts.

It's hard to overstate how good Watts has been. In my mind easily the MVP of the Freeman era so far

and yet Watts is the only guy

by Jay, San Diego, Monday, November 18, 2024, 09:21 (555 days ago) @ Mike (bart)

(besides Morrison, sad face) who will show on any postseason awards or All-American lists. Truly a better than sum of parts defense.

So hard to believe

by Domer99, John Wesley Powell's Expedition Island, Monday, November 18, 2024, 12:19 (555 days ago) @ Jay

Less than 2 years ago we were ready to write this guy off. Not as a bust but just as someone who just didn't reach an impactful level. 2 seasons ago we were wondering if he should move back to WR after some injuries and following a move to the secondary.

His transformation will go down as one of the more remarkable in the Freeman tenure.

God loves a good Free Safety

by Busco21, Monday, November 18, 2024, 17:25 (554 days ago) @ Domer99

I know I'm an idiot about this stuff, and most of the time I post in jest.

He knows when to take a chance to get a pick. He knows when to angle a 15 yard run out of bounds. You are the last line of defense. You HAVE to be right.

Hayseed. Alright Hamilton. X. What a stupid great run we have had at Safety. Brings a tear to this guy's eye.

And Shuler is an AA in training.

by KGB, Belly o. the Beast, Monday, November 18, 2024, 17:45 (554 days ago) @ Busco21

And then I'm guessing that at least one of the kids from this loaded 2025 class will be the next stud back there, unless Talich or somebody already here beats them to it.

Shuler and Urlacher

by Busco21, Monday, November 18, 2024, 17:58 (554 days ago) @ KGB

I'm already trying to hide my response. Not gonna stand up for awhile.

Lot of people said we'd miss Bertrand this season.

by KGB, Belly o. the Beast, Monday, November 18, 2024, 09:19 (555 days ago) @ Mike (bart)

Not only for his performance but also in terms of quarterbacking the defense and making sure everybody was properly aligned pre-snap. Is Watts taking on that responsibility this season? Or would that fall more on Kiser? It certainly seems like the defense has been just as bulletproof as it was in 2023.

Probably a combination. It's been very, very important for

by BillyGoat @, At Thanksgiving with Joe Bethersontin, Monday, November 18, 2024, 09:21 (555 days ago) @ KGB

further continuity that Bowen is a "hit" and has racked up a ton of snaps this year. Along with Ausberry, KVA, and Shuler in the middle of the D. They will be the ones keeping things organized next year.

Yeah, our succession plan on D should be clicking.

by KGB, Belly o. the Beast, Monday, November 18, 2024, 09:35 (555 days ago) @ BillyGoat
edited by KGB, Monday, November 18, 2024, 09:56

Getting Kiser to return this season was such an underrated piece of the puzzle, bc he's got a wealth of knowledge to pass along to Bowen, KVA and the rest of the LB group, who are super talented but also still very green. And Bowen was already drawing high marks last year for his knowledge of the playbook before he even saw the field, so he would seem to be a guy who can take the baton and lead the unit in the future in the same way that Shuler will once X departs.

And at some point we will have Urlacher

by Busco21, Monday, November 18, 2024, 17:52 (554 days ago) @ KGB

absolutely Pipe Hitting. Gotta get that kid to understand how NOT to get kicked out of games. Somewhere Doug Plank and Chuck Cecil are smiling.

It must be hard for absolute hitters to play the game now. My best seven Safeties as a coach as well as myself would have been kicked out of so many games it would have been ridiculous.

And as I've posted before, I completely agree this change HAD to be made. All of the old school guys will have CTE. But it was a different time. You had your bell rung. You're ok, get back out there.

Wouldn't change a thing. I love this game.

Can't remember if it's been posted on this board...

by BillyGoat @, At Thanksgiving with Joe Bethersontin, Tuesday, November 19, 2024, 10:11 (554 days ago) @ Busco21

But I read somewhere that every true freshman defender has now played, other than Bennie-Powell.

Although a few of those have been injury prompted or expanded (Hobbs, Thomas, Mullins, Sevillano), that's a great statement about our evaluations and initial development. It's also a great recruiting pitch.

good stuff

by Jay, San Diego, Monday, November 18, 2024, 08:55 (555 days ago) @ Mike (bart)

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