OT: homemade pizza

by Jay, San Diego, Monday, September 19, 2022, 09:45 (1367 days ago)

* dough from scratch or use something premade (boboli, pillsbury, etc)

* cornmeal under or no

* pizza stone or pan or something else

* ideal oven temp/time

* homemade sauce, or is there a perfect canned/jar sauce out there

* for margherita, basil cooked or put on top after

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Slight hijack - homemade Neapolitan wood-fired pizza

by Jack @, Tuesday, September 20, 2022, 06:49 (1366 days ago) @ Jay
edited by Jack, Tuesday, September 20, 2022, 08:29

My wife got me an outdoor wood-fired pizza oven for Father's Day. The brand is Bertello, which I saw on Shark Tank.

Once you figure it out after some trial and error, you can make real-live Neapolitan-style pizza in your very own backyard. That is my favorite style of pizza, personally. It gets up to 800 degrees, so burning it is almost inevitable on the first try if, like me, you're bad at reading directions.

Anyway, it's a nice new addition to the cook-outside arsenal, and when you finally get it right, the pizza is outstanding.

did you get your cast iron skillet cleaned?

by HumanRobot @, Cybertron, Monday, September 19, 2022, 11:00 (1367 days ago) @ Jay

Did you try the dishwasher trick that came up in chat?

scrubbed it with salt, the old-fashioned way

by Jay, San Diego, Monday, September 19, 2022, 12:22 (1366 days ago) @ HumanRobot

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How often to you put oil on it post use?

by Grantland, y'allywood, Monday, September 19, 2022, 12:30 (1366 days ago) @ Jay

I put a very small amount every so often and put on stove until it starts smoking.

What is that trick?

by Grantland, y'allywood, Monday, September 19, 2022, 12:18 (1367 days ago) @ HumanRobot

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you never do cast iron in a dishwasher

by HumanRobot @, Cybertron, Monday, September 19, 2022, 12:34 (1366 days ago) @ Grantland

#ThatsTheJoke

mb

Damn. My gut reaction was what do y'all know about

by Grantland, y'allywood, Monday, September 19, 2022, 12:52 (1366 days ago) @ HumanRobot

cast iron. shoulda gone with that.

Got me.

Deep dish baked in a big cast iron skillet

by bpeters07 @, Sack Lake City, Monday, September 19, 2022, 10:49 (1367 days ago) @ Jay
edited by bpeters07, Monday, September 19, 2022, 11:03

[Edit: I didn't realize there was a cast iron back story! I had to watch on delay (kid's soccer game) and so I skipped out on the chat.]

Welcome to my wheelhouse.

by domer.mq ⌂ @, Monday, September 19, 2022, 09:57 (1367 days ago) @ Jay

Absolutely scratch. 1) it’s fun as hell to experiment. 2) I’ve got a super easy, lightly modified Wolfgang Puck recipe that churns out really tasty pizzas my kids fight over, if you’re interested.

Cornmeal is fine. I find semolina makes launching easier than cornmeal, but I’m not picky. Whatever I’ve got around. Metal peel for sure though. Wood is for people who live the pizza life. Metal is for folks who want dinner without tears.

Pizza STEEL. Skip the stone. Sone is fine, but for under $100, you can get a steel and it makes a world of difference. I have an Ooni ove too, and it’s great, but the fire management is real work, and so I usually still default to the steel in my normal home oven that only goes to 550, and with the steel I get a great crust.

Oven temp: Hot as your oven will get.

Always homemade sauce. Do not cook it. I sometimes blend up real San Marzano tomatoes, then some salt, pepper, and “Italian Season” to taste, and it always kicks ass. I also often just use Hunts tomato sauce, same spices, and nobody ever complains. But above all, never cook the sauce. Sauce is supposed to be bright to cut thru the cheese, bread, and toppings.

Basil after cook, if we’re really worrying about it.

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awesome

by Jay, San Diego, Monday, September 19, 2022, 10:02 (1367 days ago) @ domer.mq

Let me know the Puck dough recipe!

Here’s the original recipe and my slight mods…

by domer.mq ⌂ @, Monday, September 19, 2022, 11:16 (1367 days ago) @ Jay

My family now calls this my “Thursday Night pizza.” I just make it every Thursday night, and it’s very dependable, so everyone knows what we’re getting. This is a “California pizza” style the entire family enjoys.

If I’m making pizza on the weekend, the kids know I’m probably experimenting and futzing with the pizza oven instead of making it indoors. Sometimes that works great. Sometimes the kids find a way to get invited to dinner by a friend.

What I do instead of the original recipe is…
- I use 1 tsp of sugar rather than honey. Found the honey 1) imparted a flavor we didn’t want and 2) made the dough more complicated to judge for being done kneeding.
- After adding all the ingredients together, and mixing for about a minute, I have a 1/4C of water on hand to add until I see the dough looking right. “Right” is hard to describe. The dough is supposed to be quite wet and sticky when the mix first comes together.
- I add 1tbsp-ish of EVOO to the dough mix. We like the flavor and it seems to help add a bit of stretch.
- I let the dough hook run for 6 minutes after all the ingredients come together.
- I let it rise for a full hour.
- With my Steel, I set the rack to the 2nd from the top level. Put the steal on. Pre-heat to 550, and let it sit for at least an hour. I want everything as hot as it can be. When I put the first pizza in, things should sizzle.
- I cook for 4 minutes. Then I give it a half turn and cook another minute. Then I check color. Should be done, but sometimes it needs another 30-45 seconds.

Also, I usually double the recipe. For me, I get 6 pizzas, about 12” each, from a double recipe. Depending on how hungry the kids are, we have 1-1.5 leftover pizzas after dinner.

I included the post to the original b/c Chef John’s video showing what the dough looks like after kneading is pretty on par with what I’m looking for, but since this recipe is in volumes of water and flour instead of weights, you kind of have to eyeball things, hence my spare 1/4C of water as I mix it in the Kitchenaid. I do a lot of breads using my food scale, but again, this is the “easy Thursday night dinner” thing. I want to just throw stuff in a bowl and be done.

Also, on the topic of Cheese: Really important to use a WHOLE milk, low moisture mozzarella. Block, not pre-shredded. It makes an enormous difference. You can tell by how much my kids would would or would not eat during the pandemic when it was hard to find for a bit. Galbani is widely available here for that sort of thing. Sometimes I can’t find the blocks, but they also make the same cheese packaged as string cheese. But it’s gotta be whole milk. Part-skim sucks. Sometimes for my own pizza, I’ll mix in some strips of provolone sandwich cheese. Melts really well and just adds a little variety, but I always use at least a little low moisture, whole milk mozzarella.

John doesn’t seem to make a very thins crust on his pizza. I really hammer mine down really thin, working center->out to get a nice outer crust ring. Then I also skip the olive oil on the whole crust. I only do EVOO on the outer ring to get get some browning in my home oven.

One really easy cheat for the home oven crust is to add some sea salt sprinkled on the outer rim pre-bake. It’s a killer flavor.

Original Recipe from Wolfgang via Chef John:
https://foodwishes.blogspot.com/2009/07/wolfgang-pucks-famous-california-pizza.html

Also, I learned a bunch that kind of really got me making good pizza from this video. And when I experiment, I’m usually starting with this as a base and then tweaking as I go.

https://youtu.be/SDpCzJw2xm4

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What's your steel of choice?

by ndbk32 @, Los Angeles, Wednesday, September 21, 2022, 15:33 (1364 days ago) @ domer.mq

Coming in late to this, but I'm curious which one you'd recommend (in the <$100 category, if possible). Thanks!

I have the original baking steel.

by domer.mq ⌂ @, Thursday, September 22, 2022, 06:58 (1364 days ago) @ ndbk32

And I have to say I was surprised how expensive they are now. I believe I got mine mid-pandemic either during Black Friday online sales or something like that, for $70. I think if you aren't in a rush, it's best to wait to see what they do for holiday sales and go with them. It's the only one I've ever used, so I can't speak to any others.

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Great thank you

by ndbk32 @, Los Angeles, Friday, September 23, 2022, 10:29 (1363 days ago) @ domer.mq

That seems to be the consensus favorite around the internet. But $120 was a little more than I wanted. Think I will indeed wait for a holiday sale. Much obliged!

thanks! so you use all-purpose instead of 00?

by Jay, San Diego, Monday, September 19, 2022, 12:07 (1367 days ago) @ domer.mq

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For this recipe, I use AP Flour…

by domer.mq ⌂ @, Monday, September 19, 2022, 12:41 (1366 days ago) @ Jay

With the kitchenaid at 6 minutes and the sugar, I get all the chew I want out of the soft bits with AP, and the sugars help brown and crips the bottom. 00 in a 550 degree oven might not actually crisp up enough. I hold off on 00 for my Ooni at 900 degrees. Plus the 00 is so strong that you have to fiddle with stretch/rest cycles sometimes when you’re trying to shape a crust (I do, anyway, b/c I’m an amateur).

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This is great. Thank you!

by Chris, Raleigh, NC, Monday, September 19, 2022, 11:34 (1367 days ago) @ domer.mq

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We get our dough balls from our local Italian market.

by Bill, Murrieta, CA, Monday, September 19, 2022, 10:26 (1367 days ago) @ Jay

Otherwise, I agree with the above. A can of San Marzano tomatoes, seasoned to taste, makes a fine pizza sauce.

Yep.

by OGerry @, Maine wilderness, Monday, September 19, 2022, 14:48 (1366 days ago) @ Bill

When I worked at an Italian bakery, I'd always grab a chunk of leftover dough for pizza. I bet they have something similar now chilling in the fridge at Micucci's Deli on India Street. And, if we keep pushing the envelop of convenience, they have some local pizza chain balls at the supermarket.

Flatten it out the way you like, and pre-cook it a little before adding ingredients.

And yes, I'd use cornmeal.

Obviously scratch dough and scratch sauce are best, but weeknight meal prep time insists on some compromises.

Cornmeal No!

by Joe I @, Monday, September 19, 2022, 15:04 (1366 days ago) @ OGerry

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