He had his McCartney right there in his band
If he could have gotten past the heroin, and recognized that his band was VERY capable of easing his songwriting burden, they could have been the Rock Beatles.
His drummer was the most prolific and successful rock songwriter of the next 25 years after his death!
Imagine songs from “the colour and the shape” and “echoes silence patience and grace” getting a little bit of extra Cobain gravel and depth and making up half of the songs credited to “Cobain/Grohl”.
We’d also get all of the greatness Kurt would have churned out once he was operating at full capacity, with the weirdness tempered by Dave’s genius for pop/rock melodies.
We’d all be parsing the lyrics, figuring out who wrote what. “Kurt is nonsensical and cool, Dave had more pop sensibility, the big anthems are his.”
Mostly I think that the angst and darkness in the songs would have turned into a “cooler” version of the hyper-prolific “happier”stuff the Foos did from 1995-present. Grohl still would have found his voice, they would have been Lennon/McCartney or at least Henley/Frey.
IMO it’s the biggest what-if / missed opportunity in rock history.
Complete thread:
- We didn't have a Friday Music thread (Bands Who Blew It) -
IrishGuard,
2021-05-10, 11:23
- The Oneders - Busco21, 2021-05-13, 13:50
- The Menzingers? -
Slainte Joe,
2021-05-12, 16:19
- Actually - KGB, 2021-05-13, 05:59
- Uncle Tupelo initially came to mind - irishvol, 2021-05-12, 13:19
- Gin Blossoms? - JN, 2021-05-12, 09:52
- I’ll never say they “blew it”, but Bloc Party -
MattG,
2021-05-12, 06:29
- There are a good number of bands/artists in that vein. -
KGB,
2021-05-12, 14:10
- Good point on Beck. -
MattG,
2021-05-13, 04:43
- After seeing Gaslight Anthem live, I wasn't surprised -
Dylan,
2021-05-13, 05:08
- There is a level of artifice, for sure - MattG, 2021-05-13, 07:48
- After seeing Gaslight Anthem live, I wasn't surprised -
Dylan,
2021-05-13, 05:08
- Japandroids -
Slainte Joe,
2021-05-12, 16:20
- I am incapable of saying anything unkind - KGB, 2021-05-13, 06:04
- The Shins - Pat, 2021-05-12, 17:30
- Good point on Beck. -
MattG,
2021-05-13, 04:43
- There are a good number of bands/artists in that vein. -
KGB,
2021-05-12, 14:10
- sad to say, but Tracy Chapman -
Jay,
2021-05-11, 19:50
- No one is ever gonna top “Fast Car” - MattG, 2021-05-12, 06:25
- She has this timeless moment though -
Jeremy (WeIsND),
2021-05-11, 20:37
- Amazing commercial to look back at -
Dylan,
2021-05-12, 09:07
- "Extras" had a few moments - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2021-05-12, 09:11
- Amazing commercial to look back at -
Dylan,
2021-05-12, 09:07
- The Postal Service, A Perfect Circle - ReginaldVelJohnson, 2021-05-11, 17:15
- =w= -
irishvol,
2021-05-11, 13:51
- Thought about them, too. -
KGB,
2021-05-11, 17:50
- Summer of '94 - JN, 2021-05-12, 09:55
- have you tried Van Weezer yet? - Pat, 2021-05-11, 15:50
- Thought about them, too. -
KGB,
2021-05-11, 17:50
- The Beatles -
MattG,
2021-05-11, 08:11
- "God" couldn't have been a Beatles song -
HCE,
2021-05-11, 08:35
- "Jordan with the Wizards" is kinda harsh for an album -
IrishGuard,
2021-05-11, 11:13
- Well, Jordan did average 20+ ppg in DC - HCE, 2021-05-11, 11:44
- I think it could work - MattG, 2021-05-11, 08:40
- "Jordan with the Wizards" is kinda harsh for an album -
IrishGuard,
2021-05-11, 11:13
- "God" couldn't have been a Beatles song -
HCE,
2021-05-11, 08:35
- MGMT -
KGB,
2021-05-11, 07:13
- Re oasis - MattG, 2021-05-11, 15:18
- uh... -
JN,
2021-05-11, 12:35
- The Strokes were never not going to flame out - BPH, 2021-05-12, 09:17
- I'm not saying "chased away" on Radiohead -
KGB,
2021-05-11, 13:28
- Got it. Agree -
JN,
2021-05-12, 06:29
- I kind of fall in the KGB camp - MattG, 2021-05-12, 09:52
- Got it. Agree -
JN,
2021-05-12, 06:29
- Totally agree - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2021-05-11, 12:49
- Couple more. -
KGB,
2021-05-11, 08:26
- Hijack: Question -
Domer99,
2021-05-11, 09:28
- I believe you might be talking about Ted Leo -
KGB,
2021-05-11, 09:30
- That's it. Thanks. - Domer99, 2021-05-11, 09:46
- Seems to fit - but she was always a bigger deal than Ted -
MattG,
2021-05-11, 09:43
- I am a musical dolt -
Domer99,
2021-05-11, 09:49
- She's a big deal, but always a bit under the radar. -
MattG,
2021-05-11, 10:43
- And for music fans in an ND forum - KGB, 2021-05-11, 11:08
- She's a big deal, but always a bit under the radar. -
MattG,
2021-05-11, 10:43
- I am a musical dolt -
Domer99,
2021-05-11, 09:49
- I believe you might be talking about Ted Leo -
KGB,
2021-05-11, 09:30
- Hijack: Question -
Domer99,
2021-05-11, 09:28
- Good call - MattG, 2021-05-11, 07:33
- Sublime - River, 2021-05-10, 17:43
- Genesis - Greg, 2021-05-10, 16:05
- Probably too harsh to say they blew it... -
Slainte Joe,
2021-05-10, 15:53
- Also... - Slainte Joe, 2021-05-10, 15:57
- The Stooges, Ben Folds Five, Joy Division. -
Bryan (IrishCavan),
2021-05-10, 13:30
- Doesn't Joy Division become New Order? -
hobbs,
2021-05-10, 13:44
- Yes, without Ian Curtis, who died. -
Bryan (IrishCavan),
2021-05-10, 13:46
- This is an intersting thought experiment - HCE, 2021-05-10, 14:34
- It is interesting because Hook & Sumner - hobbs, 2021-05-10, 13:52
- Yes, without Ian Curtis, who died. -
Bryan (IrishCavan),
2021-05-10, 13:46
- Doesn't Joy Division become New Order? -
hobbs,
2021-05-10, 13:44
- Not groups but solo artists -
hobbs,
2021-05-10, 13:25
- Kurt Cobain? Janis Joplin? Phil Spector. - nedhead, 2021-05-10, 19:07
- Counterpoint: most bands worth wondering "what-if" about -
HCE,
2021-05-10, 12:56
- It's better to burn out than to fade away -
Flann,
2021-05-10, 14:22
- He had his McCartney right there in his band -
MattG,
2021-05-11, 07:53
- so true - KGB, 2021-05-11, 09:11
- Yeah, it doesn't really apply to the tragically deceased -
HCE,
2021-05-10, 14:46
- R.E.M got that -
hobbs,
2021-05-10, 15:32
- I’m holding out hope for that reunion. - MattG, 2021-05-11, 07:57
- R.E.M got that -
hobbs,
2021-05-10, 15:32
- He had his McCartney right there in his band -
MattG,
2021-05-11, 07:53
- It's better to burn out than to fade away -
Flann,
2021-05-10, 14:22
- Yes - re: GnR -
MattG,
2021-05-10, 12:19
- I love Get in the Ring -
IrishGuard,
2021-05-10, 14:21
- Who knows - MattG, 2021-05-10, 14:47
- I love Get in the Ring -
IrishGuard,
2021-05-10, 14:21
- You'll be hearing from my lawyer -
Dylan,
2021-05-10, 12:16
- Theory: Buddy would have moved into country -
HCE,
2021-05-10, 12:35
- would have been a Traveling Wilbury too - Jay, 2021-05-10, 13:56
- Theory: Buddy would have moved into country -
HCE,
2021-05-10, 12:35
- think the Stone Roses belong here - Jay, 2021-05-10, 11:37