Well I'm glad somebody said it
by Jim (fisherj08)
, A Samoan kid's laptop, Thursday, September 13, 2018, 08:56 (2772 days ago)
https://247sports.com/college/notre-dame/Article/Lets-Be-Honest-We-Overlooked-Ball-Stat...
May this be a truly awful learning experience we never talk about ever again!
More from Love
by Brendan
, The Chemical and Oil Refinery State, Thursday, September 13, 2018, 12:22 (2772 days ago) @ Jim (fisherj08)
“I had to calm myself down and realize we won the game,” explained Love. “My family and girlfriend had to help calm me down. We realize what we have to do. We’ve been intentional this week and getting back to our roots. We’re not taking a day for granted.”
"I had to calm myself down and realize we won the game" sounds like what roughly 100% of the ND fan base (drink!) experienced. Man, I love this kid (no pun intended). He's a straight shooter with upper management potential.
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"Being Irish, he had an abiding sense of tragedy, which sustained him through temporary periods of joy." - Yeats
He’s definitely become an all time favorite
by scriptcomesfirst
, Thursday, September 13, 2018, 14:46 (2772 days ago) @ Brendan
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Calmer than you are.
by Publicola, Thursday, September 13, 2018, 13:04 (2772 days ago) @ Brendan
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"Rice scares me to death"
by Jay, San Diego, Thursday, September 13, 2018, 09:11 (2772 days ago) @ Jim (fisherj08)
-- Lou Holtz, about to face 0-7 Rice University in 1988. We all laughed when we heard this quote but there's a message he was sending to his team.
I sometimes wonder how Alabama, coming off a big win on the road against a ranked Miss State, and with the Iron Bowl coming right up the next week, stays focused enough to blow out Mercer 56-0. Maybe Saban doesn't go to the hilarious extremes that Lou did, but I'm sure there's an extra level of intensity from his coaches in prep week against these cupcakes so that the team doesn't lose focus. Even if it's not stated explicitly, I'm sure the players can smell when their coaches are mentally taking a breather against the likes of Ball State.
Lots of Alabama's motivation is probably internal too.
by Pete, Thursday, September 13, 2018, 10:30 (2772 days ago) @ Jay
We've talked at length about the ruthless and unethical ways through which Saban manages his roster like a serial killer. So I imagine it doesn't hurt that every single player on his roster knows he is a subpar performance away from getting bench for another denizen of Planet Krypton, and just a few bad breaks away from getting shuttled out of the program altogether and looking hard at associate's degrees in TV/VCR repair.
All hail "The Process"
by IrishGuard, Thursday, September 13, 2018, 10:30 (2772 days ago) @ Jay
I think Saban's obsessive attention to the formal aspect of preparation--that it is always the same for everyone and doesn't change over the course of the 4 or 5 years you're on campus--really mitigates against letdowns. Energy levels may fluctuate depending on opponent, but execution is muscle-memory-deep. (It also probably doesn't hurt that internal competition between 5 stars means that you're one bad play away from being replaced by the high school All-American waiting in the wings for your spot.)
On this point, it's been said that in Osborne's heyday, every high school in Nebraska ran the University's offense. So every year, he just took the best 5 OL in the state, fed them beef for 3 years, and then rolled them out on the field for the last two years of their college careers to dominate. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Was listening to Podcast Ain't Played Nobody a few weeks ago
by Jim (fisherj08)
, A Samoan kid's laptop, Thursday, September 13, 2018, 10:40 (2772 days ago) @ IrishGuard
(It's a pretty good college football podcast, as an aside!)
Anyway. A listener asked the question "What's the worst team Nick Saban could win a title at?" The hosts responded that it's a difficult question to answer, because while Nick Saban is undoubtedly a great coach, the real secret to his success comes from Alabama's total devotion to the football team.
Godfrey gave a pretty fascinating example of that dedication: Nick Saban found out that some of his linemen were always just a tad late to workouts. The reason? They would always pop over to a local eatery for a pre-lift meal. So what was his solution? He got the University to pay, at a great expense, for the restaurant to bring food every day directly to the weight room so that their entire focus was on football.
Now, I don't think that Notre Dame could, or even should, for that matter, put that much focus on the football team. But it sure as hell makes focusing on game preparation easier when you don't even have to think about things like "finding food."
I appreciate that you called it a "team" and not a school.
by KGB, Belly o. the Beast, Thursday, September 13, 2018, 16:06 (2772 days ago) @ Jim (fisherj08)
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I was expecting you to say...
by domer.mq
, Thursday, September 13, 2018, 15:17 (2772 days ago) @ Jim (fisherj08)
He got the school to pay to have the restaurant shut down.
Just seemed more Saban-like.
Gonna have to check that podcast out.
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Its the determination of a champion
by Mark, Thursday, September 13, 2018, 09:30 (2772 days ago) @ Jay
edited by Mark, Thursday, September 13, 2018, 09:38
Super competitive people have that ability to focus day in a day out at a much higher level than average/mediocre competitors.
Whether its Tom Brady & the Patriots pulling it off week in and week out for so many years in a row or Bama and their cult ... I believe the biggest difference is just a mental one that obsessive winners take on as a natural instinct.
I remember back in the '90s I used to shoot a lot of pool with an ND soccer player (Bill Lanza) that had played on the U21 national team. He was a pure goal scorer. He was absolutely deadly when attacking the goal. I played a game of 2v1 soccer with him once and he absolutely destroyed us winning something like 10-3 or 10-2. At the time it really opened my eyes to how focused and driven his competitiveness was. He always said that to be elite, in his natural form he had to win 2v1 competitions the majority of times. That was his standard. That was just his job. That's what he did.
When we would go shoot pool, over the years I learned from his feedback about being absolutely focused for perfection on every shot. It wasn't just that you made your shot, it was where you left the cue ball and how you reacted to making your shot and the image/confidence you gave off to your opponent. You had to walk a certain way. You had to stand a certain way and in a certain spot (opposite the opposing shooter) when it wasn't your turn.
Some people think they are competitive, but when you meet and get to know someone that's truly an elite competitor, you realize how much more work they put in day in and day out. Their level of focus and competitiveness is really different than what the average competitor does.
Hopefully, Brian Kelly and team were pissed off and really drove these points home this week. ND needs to coach these kids up, so that they embody that determination and focus day in and day out.
I keep thinking Thank God ND got out with a W last week. Survive. Re-Focus. Live to fight another day. ND's still in this, but its clear they have a lot of work to do to get to where they need to be this season.
I would say it's more post-Michigan than anything else
by Mike (bart), Thursday, September 13, 2018, 09:24 (2772 days ago) @ Jay
Seems like they made Michigan a one-game seasons and tried to use Ball St. to figure out what they have, with sexy results.
E.g., I think it's entirely possible we didn't put much emphasis in camp on anything besides what was going to help us beat Michigan (e.g., so little intermediate passing, only heavily repping the gameplan-specific run plays, etc.). The thought being that if they got past michigan they could figure everything out against the next couple of teams on the schedule.
I think one of the big miscalculations they might've made was in overlooking the fact that coming off of an all-in first game like Michigan, their performance (as coaches, and for the players) was going to be well off-peak. That is, I don't think the plan involved trying out a terrible gameplan against Ball St., I think they probably ended up with a terrible gameplan against Ball St. because they maniacally focused on the Michigan gameplan.
A high-leverage gamble and there's a good chance it blows up in their faces (though even if it does the Michigan win is no small booby prize).
I could see that
by Brendan
, The Chemical and Oil Refinery State, Thursday, September 13, 2018, 10:06 (2772 days ago) @ Mike (bart)
I think there's also a fair chance the staff, players, and fans (myself most definitely included) all underestimated Ball State. I mocked their 600+ yards of total offense against Central Connecticut on this very board, but maybe I shouldn't have. Their performance wasn't terrible last year (2-2 record, +5 pts/gm margin, -0.1 ypp diff) until they lost basically their entire offensive depth chart and some key defenders as well, and then they fell off a cliff (0-8 record, -37 pts/gm margin, -3.2 ypp diff).
A bunch of those injured guys were back this year. Obviously there's still no excuse for what happened - if the coaching staff had implemented a non-craptastic game plan, we still probably would've won by 30+. But in hindsight, perhaps they weren't exactly the Washington Generals after all.
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"Being Irish, he had an abiding sense of tragedy, which sustained him through temporary periods of joy." - Yeats
There's not really any proof of that
by Jim (fisherj08)
, A Samoan kid's laptop, Thursday, September 13, 2018, 09:39 (2772 days ago) @ Mike (bart)
Isn't it more likely that it's just a post-michigan attitude thing? Where you come off a big emotional win then play Ball State and have a letdown? As opposed to "WE PREPARED FOR ONE TEAM AND ONE TEAM ONLY OH NO"?
It's actually the optimist's scenario (edit)
by Mike (bart), Thursday, September 13, 2018, 09:48 (2772 days ago) @ Jim (fisherj08)
edited by Mike (bart), Thursday, September 13, 2018, 09:52
given how disorganized we looked upfront. We literally looked like we were doing stuff we hadn't practiced very much. If that's the case, there's now a lot more data about what is worth practicing/not practicing, etc. and hopefully we can start seeing some quick improvement as we focus on a realistic identity and mastering the components involved.
Now, there's another way you can look like you're doing stuff you haven't practiced very mcuh, and that's just if you are shitty. I think the former, 'We Just Haven't Practiced Certain Stuff Very Much' scenario is more likely given the span of issues we saw against Ball St. (seemingly random distributions of breakdowns by the OL, RBs; only Hainsey and Mack were really consistently bad, imo). E.g., it would surprise me if all of Jones, Armstrong, Bars, Mustipher, Kramer, Eichenberg were really shitty at this point, given that we have a fair amount of data to the contrary.
editing to add: if that is the case, I think it could be construed as a justifiable calculated risk by the coaching staff. Something like:
1. Peak for the Michigan game, beat them at all costs
2. Manage through Ball St/Vandy/Wake, ideally leading to another peak for Stanford/VT
3. Give Stanford and VT your best shot
It's not a bad plan. That doesn't mean it's guaranteed to work, or that it's not prone to vulnerabilties, but it would make me feel better than being inexplicably flummoxed by Ball St. despite our best efforts
We didn't prepare for the 3-4, right?
by CK08, Thursday, September 13, 2018, 09:56 (2772 days ago) @ Mike (bart)
That was a surprise they pulled out just for us?
I believe it was a new wrinkle within the 3-4
by HullieAndMikes, Yelling at Sam Cane, Dunedin, Thursday, September 13, 2018, 10:07 (2772 days ago) @ CK08
Not the 3-4 itself but the deployment of a Bear front (is that the same thing as the 46?).
gameplan nor exotic defense should have mattered
by Jay, San Diego, Thursday, September 13, 2018, 11:02 (2772 days ago) @ HullieAndMikes
I keep going back to those plays linked below where Hainsey is getting his ass handed to him on an individual matchup, where OL aren't reaching the second level, where pulling guards can't catch up to blocks, and thinking this all has to do with lack of effort. Or if you want to go darker, it could go to poor technique (as a result of poor coaching). But I can't put "Ball State surprised us!" as culprit numero uno.
a lot of the stuff you describe is teamwork stuff
by Mike (bart), Thursday, September 13, 2018, 11:16 (2772 days ago) @ Jay
pullers running into each other, missed assignments, getting off combo blocks to hit the second level, backs missing holes. Further, guys having assignment confusion makes them exponentially more likely to be physically defeated on a given play.
A lot of that stuff comes from lack of repetition
The game I'm 2nd most interested in this week is Ball St-IU.
by Chris, Raleigh, NC, Thursday, September 13, 2018, 09:21 (2772 days ago) @ Jay
Just to see how they follow up last week's performance.
If they lose 41-13, I'm going to have to start to worry a little.
A good win would sure be nice.
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#Team128
Not that comparative scores are worth a damn
by Chris (HCC)
, Paradise, Thursday, September 13, 2018, 12:21 (2772 days ago) @ Chris
But it might be worth noting that IU beat Bronco Mendenhall's (remember him?) Virginia last week in the middle of a friggin monsoon. IU played pretty well, even with an offense that was somewhat limited by the weather. I think their (relatively) decent defense in the game was also attributable to that. My bet is that IU will score a ton on Ball St., but that BSU will put some up on their own. Let's say 49-35.