ND and USC - Spring Two Deeps

I used the rankings (and SC's spring depth chart) from Rivals

Ok, here the breakdowns. Returning starters are in ALL CAPS.

NOTRE DAME OFFENSE

RETURNING STARTERS: 10
UNDERCLASSMEN: 6
FIVE STARS: 5
FOUR STARS: 13
THREE STARS: 4
TOP 50: 7
TOP 100: 11
TOP 250: 17

QUARTERBACK
CLAUSEN - Jr, 5 stars, Top 50
Crist - So, 5 stars, Top 50

TAILBACK
ALLEN - Jr, 4 stars, Top 100
Hughes - Jr, 4 stars, Top 100

RECEIVER
KAMARA - Jr, 4 stars, Top 50
Parris - Sr, 3 stars

RECEIVER
FLOYD - So, 5 stars, Top 50
Walker - So, 4 stars, Top 250

RECEIVER
TATE - Jr, 4 stars, Top 250
West - Sr, 3 stars

TIGHT END
RUDOLPH - So, 5 stars, Top 50
Ragone - Jr, 4 stars, Top 100

LEFT TACKLE
Duncan - 5th, 3 stars
Romine - Jr, 4 stars, Top 100

LEFT GUARD
OLSEN - Sr, 4 stars, Top 250
Nuss - Jr, 4 stars

CENTER
WENGER - Sr, 4 stars, Top 250
Cave - So, 4 stars, Top 250

RIGHT GUARD
STEWART - Sr, 4 stars, Top 250
Robinson - So, 4 stars, Top 50

RIGHT TACKLE
YOUNG - Sr, 5 stars, Top 50
Dever - Jr, 3 stars

SOUTHERN CAL OFFENSE
RETURNING STARTERS: 9
UNDERCLASSMEN: 0
FIVE STARS: 7
FOUR STARS: 10
THREE STARS: 4
TOP 50: 9
TOP 100: 12
TOP 250: 16

SOUTHERN CAL OFFENSE

QUARTERBACK
Corp - Jr, 4 stars, Top 50
Mustain - Sr, 5 stars, Top 50

TAILBACK
GABLE - Sr, 5 stars, Top 50
Johnson - Sr, 5 stars, Top 50

FULLBACK
HAVILI - Sr, 4 stars
Goodman - Sr, former walkon

RECEIVER
D. WILLIAMS - Sr, 4 stars, Top 100
Ausberry - Sr, 4 stars, Top 100

RECEIVER
R. Johnson - Jr, 5 stars, Top 50
Patterson - Jr, 3 stars

TIGHT END
MCCOY - Sr, 4 stars, Top 250
R. Ellison - Jr, 3 stars

LEFT TACKLE
C. BROWN - 5th, 3 stars
T. Smith - So, 5 stars

LEFT GUARD
BYERS - 6th, 5 stars, Top 50
Simmons - Sr, 4 stars, Top 100

CENTER
O'DOWD - Jr, 5 stars, Top 50
Reardon - Jr, 4 stars, Top 250

RIGHT GUARD
PARSONS - Sr, 4 stars, Top 250
Heberer - Sr, 4 stars, Top 250

RIGHT TACKLE
B. LEWIS - Sr, 4 stars, Top 100
Howell - 5th, 3 stars

NOTRE DAME DEFENSE
RETURNING STARTERS: 6
UNDERCLASSMEN: 8
FIVE STARS: 0
FOUR STARS: 12
THREE STARS: 10
TOP 50: 1
TOP 100: 4
TOP 250: 8

DEFENSIVE END
NEAL - Jr, 4 stars
Fleming - So, 4 stars, Top 100

DEFENSIVE TACKLE
WILLIAMS - Jr, 3 stars
Mullen - Sr, 3 stars

DEFENSIVE TACKLE
Johnson - So, 4 stars, Top 50
Nwankwo - Jr, 3 stars

DEFENSIVE END
LewisMoore - So, 4 stars
Richardson - Sr, 3 stars

OUTSIDE LINEBACKER
B. SMITH - Jr, 4 stars
Posluszny - So, 3 stars

MIDDLE LINEBACKER
T. Smith - Sr, 3 stars
McDonald - So, 4 stars, Top 250

OUTSIDE LINEBACKER
Filer - So, 4 stars, Top 250
S.Smith - 5th, 3 stars

CORNERBACK
MCNEAL - Sr, 4 stars, Top 100
Slaughter - So, 4 stars, Top 250

STRONG SAFETY
K. McCARTHY - 5th, 3 stars
Herring - 5th, 3 stars

FREE SAFETY
H. SMITH - Jr, 4 stars, Top 250
Brown - Sr, 3 stars

CORNERBACK
Blanton - So, 4 stars
Walls - Sr, 4 stars, Top 100

SOUTHERN CAL DEFENSE
RETURNING STARTERS: 3
UNDERCLASSMEN: 6
FIVE STARS: 3
FOUR STARS: 15
THREE STARS: 3
TOP 50: 9
TOP 100: 14
TOP 250: 16

DEFENSIVE END
Griffen - Jr, 5 stars, Top 50
Perry - So, 4 stars, Top 100

DEFENSIVE TACKLE
TUPOU - Jr, 4 stars
Spicer - 5th, 4 stars, Top 100

DEFENSIVE TACKLE
Armstead - So, 4 stars, Top 50
Henderson - Jr, 3 stars

DEFENSIVE END
Jackson - So, 4 stars
Horton - So, 4 stars, Top 50

OUTSIDE LINEBACKER
M. SMith - Jr, 4 stars, Top 250
Campbell - Jr, 4 stars, Top 250

MIDDLE LINEBACKER
Galippo - Jr, 5 stars, Top 50
L. Brown - 5th, 4 stars, Top 100

OUTSIDE LINEBACKER
Morgan - Sr, 4 stars, Top 100
Garratt - Sr, former walkon

CORNERBACK
S. Wright - Sr, 4 stars, Top 50
Bryant - So, 4 stars, Top 100

FREE SAFETY
K. Thomas - 5th, 4 stars, Top 100
M. Jones - Jr, 4 stars, Top 100

STRONG SAFETY
MAYS - Sr, 5 stars, Top 50
Harris - 5th, 4 stars, Top 100

CORNERBACK
PINKARD - 6th, 3 stars
Bauchum - So, 3 stars

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They don't have a set number of 5 stars in a given year.

Scout gives each Top 50 player a 5 star ranking. But Scout (read, Allen Wallace) has an uber-boner for West Coast players and is to SC recruits what Lemming is to ND recruits.

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They're breaking in a new quarterback on offense, and losing most of that defense. And we finally return a fairly stocked two-deep.

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I highly doubt we're there yet. I'm hoping we can get them in '10 but I suppose home field means something too...theoretically.

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Offense
Aldridge (but should be easily replaced with our depth)
Duncan (potential starting LT)
Olsen (starting LG)
Young (starting RT)

Defense
Te'o (potential mission)
McCarthy (starting SS)
McNeil (starting CB, unless Blanton beats him out)
Walls (starting CB, but could return for a fifth)
Brown (nickel back)

Looking at this, the main questions for 2010 are at OT (can Romine play LT? who will replace Young?) and the secondary (will Walls return? who will play safety besides Hayseed?)

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Clausen
Allen
Kamara
Tate
Floyd
Rudolph
Wenger
Stewart
Romine if he beats out Duncan

Johnson
Williams
Neal
LewisMoore
Teo (maybe)
B. Smith
Filer
Blanton
H. Smith

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I expect us to take a very signficant step forward. If we don't the only reason will be coaching failure.

This team, on paper at least, is a better mix of raw talent and experience than the 2005 team.

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is his ability to take "reloading" to a literal meaning.

Sure, he still hasn't put together a "best team of the millennium" since his last "best team of the millennium," but quite a few programs over time (even ND) have been said to be able to "just reload" and not really do it with the efficiency of SoCal in the 85-man limit era. All because he seeks to make practice harder than most of the games the team will play. Makes it so their red-shirt sophs are like tested juniors.

(Of course, he's still dealing with that "lose one you shouldn't" problem. Not that I wouldn't mind that single problem these days.)

I fully agree with the "it's time" motto for 2009. But it's time for a few reasons beyond what's on paper. In particular, it's time because Weis sort of dug himself a hole the last 2 years and needs to make good on some debt now.

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And I also think Florida in the future and Texas right now fit the bill too.

Shocking that the best program in California, Texas, Florida, and Ohio manage to do it when no one else can.

Oh that's right...10 automatic 4-5 stars every year. Nevermind, I think I figured it out.

They're good coaches too...but sometimes I wish ND was in Southern California.

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Sure, those team are still very, very good at it. But SC hasn't lost more than 2 games in a year since 2001.

tOSU lost 4 in 2004 and 3 in 2008.

Florida lost 4 the year between their two NCs.

Texas lost 3 games each of the two years after they won the NC.

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that with the exception of tOSU, the other two are symptoms of a tougher schedule than USC gets.

USC schedules better than anyone (better than us) but those teams just keep sucking (including us) and their conference doesn't do them any favors either.

In addition, their reward each year is to play the 2nd best Big10 team if tOSU does well or the best Big10 team if tOSU sucks that year.

Texas and Florida play real bowl games and they play real conference championship games in addition to a tougher schedule to begin with. I'd have no problem with 3 losses 2 years after a NC.

Carroll's record is remarkable but the facts will show that while Carroll's been coach at USC...

tOSU has a BCS championship and 2 appearances
Texas has a title
Florida has 2 titles

USC has a title and a runner-up...but gets the edge because of their AP title.

Of note- since Carroll's been a Trojan there's been 8 BCS games
only 8 teams have participated.

You know what, if we include the year before Petey gets to USC Oklahoma probably wins.

1 title, 4 runner-ups. That's pretty consistent as well.
I've decided, Stoops wins this fight.

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and well stated.

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Their QB is either going to be Corp, Mustain, or a true Freshman. None of those scare me too much. If we contain their ground game we can win. Of course that's easier said then done.

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That O-line is scarry good. We'll need to play our best game in 4 years to do it. Seeing what they lose at critical positions then I think we can do it and it will be our best chance since 05.

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was their relative youth along the DL. 4 of their top 8 are sophomores. I'd say that was a byproduct of having to move guys like Butch Lewis, Alex Parsons and Derek Simmons over to OL.

I'm interested in seeing the kind of progress that Griffen and Spicer can make. Griffen looked like Tarzan but played like Jane against Oregon State. He was getting worked by Samie Stroughter on those wham blocks. He didn't start again the rest of the season. Spicer just played like and idiot - he had something like 4 PI's in the first few games, two against Oregon State.

Also, both Galippo and Luther Brown have had back problems over the last few years. That's one of the reasons why they wanted Teo so badly.

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and that Pinkard got his 6th year, because without those two returnees they'd really be up shit creek on defense.

Mays would have been a surefire first-rounder.

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the Polo Grounds

ND and USC - Spring Two Deeps

Ethan Johnson was only a 4 Star?

On Rivals....

this would be the year to catch them

What will we lose between '09 and '10?

Only significant losses

I'd guess we will have roughly 17 starters back in 2010.

ND Football 2009 - "It's Time"

The best aspect of Carroll's coaching...

I think tOSU reloads that easily

No one reloads as well as SC.

I'm going to make the argument...

Good points....

I agree with all of that.

I agree.

their OL is still scary as hell

No question.

What surprised me about SC....

they're lucky Mays came back

That secondary is insanely talented and deep