Allen TD vs Stanford

by Jay, San Diego, Friday, June 19, 2009, 00:08 (6250 days ago)
edited by Jay, Friday, June 19, 2009, 11:07

I think every now and then I'll throw a clip up here in TPG to discuss. I picked this one because it was kind of a cool play, but more importantly there were a number of different angles on it, including the overhead so you can see the coverage and all the routes.

Anything jump out at you? Some things I noticed:

* appears to be an audible
* interesting combo routes by four receivers
* Allen runs a real route out of the backfield, not just a sit-down outlet underneath
* protection was good
* looked like Cover 2
* Jimmy looks deep left first, then comes back to Armando right
* was there a pick, as Haden says? Is that part of the play design?
* the thumbs-up by Allen is a nice touch.

Seems like a well designed play.

by Mobster, Sunday, June 21, 2009, 10:15 (6248 days ago) @ Jay

If the boundry corner hadn't helped deep Golden Tate would have had a TD. He was coming across the face of the Safety who, I'm guessing, misplayed it. The corner dropped into the back corner to cover Golden (where Clausen was looking initially. Great recognition by Clausen to check down.

sometimes things are obvious, sometimes, not so much

by Busco21, Saturday, June 20, 2009, 14:23 (6248 days ago) @ Jay

the best angle is from the pressbox, as always.

Tough to call out the coverage. At the snap it looks like Cover 2, and it may have been, but both corners bailed fairly deep. However, sometimes Cornerbacks are taught to go ahead and run underneath any vertical routes by the #1 receiver if no one else threatens the flat.

Of course, in this case, Allen ends up getting to the flat very late, which would be a bitch of a read for a corner.

similar route combo

by Jay, San Diego, Saturday, June 20, 2009, 10:41 (6249 days ago) @ Jay

(pointed out by Spesh). This is our first play from scrimmage in the '08 Purdue game.

Top of the screen looks like the mesh combo again, but things get fouled up.

I think I remember Weis saying that was an audible.

by domer.mq ⌂ @, Friday, June 19, 2009, 10:51 (6250 days ago) @ Jay

I remember being really impressed with that play because it showed a lot of good things about the talent and abilities of the kids on the team, so when I saw it was also an audible, I sort of took note mentally.

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Allen's comments post-game:

by PMan @, The Banks of the Spokane River, Friday, June 19, 2009, 19:14 (6249 days ago) @ domer.mq

Sophomore HB Armando Allen

On his opening touchdown
"It was a good read by Jimmy (Clausen). I checked my protection and got into my route, and Jimmy just made a good read. I couldn't ask for anything more."

On Jimmy Clausen checking down to the running backs
"Check downs are always the last read, kind of an outlet. So once he started looking at it and noticed that there's nothing there, then you always throw it to your back. He did that today and everything worked out smooth."

http://www.und.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/100408aad.html

Thanks. This is why I should never trust my brain.

by domer.mq ⌂ @, Friday, June 19, 2009, 21:43 (6249 days ago) @ PMan

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It looks to me like Allen is the 3rd progression.

by PMan @, The Banks of the Spokane River, Friday, June 19, 2009, 09:20 (6250 days ago) @ Jay

Kamara and Tate cross on the left side, with Tate coming in and Kamara going out. Lots of Cardinal defenders over there, so Clausen finally comes back to Allen.

Reminds me of the play from the BG game

by Spesh ⌂ @, Los Angeles, Friday, June 19, 2009, 05:17 (6250 days ago) @ Jay

Where all the WRs drive off the underneath cover and then a running back ran a little crossing route like that one. He was wide open.

I don't think it's an audible. Really all he says is "Watch 50" which has to do with the Mike, I believe. I don't think "Omaha" has anything to do with changing plays or calling audibles. It has to do with something else.

reason I thought it was an audible

by Jay, San Diego, Sunday, June 21, 2009, 21:19 (6247 days ago) @ Spesh

Watch him as he comes to the line and gets set. Then he pulls up and identifies the Mike. Usually he's pointing out the Mike much earlier than that.

"Omaha" means hurry up/play clock is winding down

by Mike, Sunday, June 21, 2009, 11:39 (6248 days ago) @ Spesh

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oh yeah!

by Jay, San Diego, Friday, June 19, 2009, 08:34 (6250 days ago) @ Spesh

That's the same play.

And here I thought it was something brand new for the BG game.

This seems like a staple USC pass, doesn't it?

Any thoughts on the four routes being run, or the QB progression? Is Jimmy reading left-long first?

I think it's a mesh concept

by Spesh ⌂ @, Los Angeles, Friday, June 19, 2009, 10:21 (6250 days ago) @ Jay

Most of the Mesh stuff I've seen has a tight end and receiver (or two receivers) running the crossing routes. I can't find anything specifically where the RB is used.

This article on BYU's offense talks about the Mesh at the end.

http://www.trojanfootballanalysis.com/wp/wordpress/?p=210

also, in terms of progressions

by Spesh ⌂ @, Los Angeles, Friday, June 19, 2009, 10:30 (6250 days ago) @ Spesh

I think Clausen knows when he gets cover 2 that he'll throw it to one of the mesh guys. Whoever gets open. I think his looking left is not part of the progression but rather to look off the coverage. The right corner won't stay in the flat, and the left corner will stay with his man deep. That opens up the flats.

Could be wrong, though. The closest I've come to quarterbacking is on Madden.

If true...

by PMan @, The Banks of the Spokane River, Friday, June 19, 2009, 19:09 (6249 days ago) @ Spesh

that's remarkable patience by Clausen.

Golden Tate's reaction -- trying to get Jimmy's attention -- as he crosses the middle made me think Clausen was working through his progressions.

No pick to me

by NDTerp, I am not Jay. I never have been Jay., Friday, June 19, 2009, 03:56 (6250 days ago) @ Jay

The defense play looks designed to have the OLB follow the inside route, which he does.

The CB guarding the ND sideline WR dumps him off to the OLB once he goes inside and then this CB goes to the deep man. My guess is that this CB was the "curls to flats" defender and wasn't paying attention when Allen came outside.

It also looked like an audible to me.

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