Someone clear me up on this Paulus to UM thing...
by domer.mq
, Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 06:52 (6252 days ago)
I understand the "4 in 5 years" thing, but how does that work here? I'm reading thru the NCAA site, and I can't find reference to how the NCAA looks at a guy who played one sport for 4 years and will then transfer to another school to play another sport for 1 more year. That seems to go against the 5 year rule.
Is this like the Sinbad rule from Unnecessary Roughness?
Also, I love what this indicates about UM's qb situation that they'd even talk to Paulus.
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BTW, the story just got weirder
by BPH, San Diego, Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 13:00 (6252 days ago) @ domer.mq
Cutcliffe: Paulus invited to spring tryout
ESPN.com news services
Since Greg Paulus appears serious about making the transition to college football this fall, Duke coach David Cutcliffe is willing to have the former Blue Devils point guard in for a tryout.
Just not at the quarterback position.
Greg Paulus was Duke's starting point guard for three seasons before losing the job to Nolan Smith.
Cutcliffe said Wednesday he's told the 6-foot-1, 180-pound Paulus, a standout quarterback in high school who just finished his fourth year of basketball at Duke, that he could try out for a spot at inside receiver in Duke's last six spring practices.
Cutcliffe said he and Paulus "talked extensively" about the possibility of Paulus joining the football team, but the bottom line was there was "no way" he could come out and try to play quarterback for the Blue Devils after such a long hiatus from the position.
"He's a quarterback at heart, but there was no way he was going to be able to compete and play quarterback for us," Cutcliffe said. "I think that was the deciding factor. Prior to our last six practices, I was going to try to get him out, give him a chance to work at slot receiver. He's a fierce competitor, a great young man. He's been a tremendous basketball player. "
According to NCAA eligibility guidelines, student-athletes generally must sit out a year if they transfer from one four-year school to another. Because student-athletes are allowed to redshirt for medical or other reasons, they are granted 10 semesters of eligibility.
In the case of Paulus, because he was never a basketball redshirt at Duke, as an undergraduate transfer he would be eligible to play football at another school, assuming there are no extenuating circumstances concerning his eligibility.
In advance of the NFL draft next weekend, Paulus worked out in front of representatives for the Green Bay Packers last week in Durham, N.C., Duke spokesman Art Chase said.
Chase also said that the Blue Devils point guard visited Michigan on Tuesday to explore the possibility of transferring there to play football.
Michigan spokesman David Abluaf declined comment and coach Rich Rodriguez has repeatedly said he only talks about players on his roster.
Sources told ESPN.com's Christopher Lawlor that Paulus was there to speak to Rodriguez about the possibility of playing this season for the Wolverines. Paulus watched Michigan practice.
Cutcliffe said perhaps Paulus would have a better shot at trying to play quarterback in a spread system like that of Michigan's.
"I hadn't even heard that about Michigan. I had heard he worked out for some pro team," Cutcliffe said. "It's difficult when you haven't been playing quarterback in a long time, to step back into a pro style offense and have any chance to play. If that's indeed the fact ... they've had quarterback issues and certainly that offense would be more friendly to a more athletic-type quarterback."
Paulus, who started 95 games for Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski at point guard, saw his role drastically reduced his senior season. The Syracuse, N.Y., product opted to play basketball over football at Duke after being offered a football scholarship by Notre Dame as well as the University of Miami.
Paulus was a former Gatorade high school football player of the year at Christian Brothers Academy, where he was a four-time all-state player, set six state passing records and was a starter in the U.S. Army All-American game. Christian Brothers was 42-3 during Paulus' time there, and he had 11,763 career passing yards and 152 touchdown passes in 45 games.
"To play at the NFL level he might have to add 30 pounds," Christian Brothers football coach Joe Casamento told ESPN's Joe Schad on Wednesday. "He could always throw it accurately and he's a smart winner and a leader, but where now is the arm strength?"
As for a year of playing college football?
"Im not sure the Michigan offense suits him," Casamento said. "We ran a spread, but a spread to pass. He might take some pounding in that offense. I understand Greg is keeping his options open, but I still believe basketball is his passion. When he chose basketball, he told me that one day he'd like to be a basketball coach."
During an interview in January with USA Today, Paulus expressed no regret about choosing basketball over football.
"I wanted to play point guard, and I got a chance to do that and to play for Duke and Coach K," Paulus told the newspaper. "I wouldn't change a thing."
I bet it would pass muster
by Jay, San Diego, Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 09:46 (6252 days ago) @ domer.mq
I don't see a huge difference between that and what Vernaglia or Schiccatano did. I don't think the different sport is a dealbreaker.
But they did it when there was a specific rule in place.
by Savage, Around Ye Olde Colonial College, Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 13:15 (6252 days ago) @ Jay
That rule is no longer there.
when did they rescind #2005-54?
by Jay, San Diego, Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 13:26 (6252 days ago) @ Savage
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The very next year.
by Savage, Around Ye Olde Colonial College, Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 13:42 (6252 days ago) @ Jay
I'll eventually get off my ass and go look it up, but they stripped the rule back to where it was before: essentially back to you cannot transfer without spending the year in residence (and thus losing your 5th calendar year); there are still some appeals processes for academic reasons but they still generally require a complete release by the first institution.
Note that this obviously only applies within a division, as going down to DI-AA (er "FCS") is still allowable without the year in residence.
Thanks -- totally missed that
by Jay, San Diego, Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 14:52 (6251 days ago) @ Savage
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Yeah. True.
by domer.mq
, Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 10:58 (6252 days ago) @ Jay
And now that I've read it 3 times in different reports, it seems accepted that he has 4 years of eligibility in any sport left over.
I just find the crossover between the graduate student rule, the 5 for 4 rule, and the cross sport rules. It's like this is just not really defined at all, so he'd probably be able to do it.
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But T-Force was LETHAL in the spring game!
by BPH, San Diego, Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 09:37 (6252 days ago) @ domer.mq
And wait until D-Rob gets on campus to be our CHANGE OF PACE QB! And that doesn't even include the heady veteran Sher Dog...
Wait, scratch that last one.
John Goodman would be lethal in our spring game..
by PaulM, Chicago, IL, Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 13:45 (6252 days ago) @ BPH
if all our good D players were hurt.
It's like judging our running game when our receivers were out; it just doesn't work.
You forgot the part...
by BPH, San Diego, Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 14:12 (6252 days ago) @ PaulM
where Forcier was actually going against the second-string defense, which because of injuries and a scary lack of depth, featured several walk-ons.
It has become apparent that Rodriguez's goal was to orchestrate the spring game such that Forcier left it confident as opposed to discouraged, even though all he's filled with now is false confidence.
But the notion that Rod is even somewhat seriously
by Pete, Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 15:02 (6251 days ago) @ BPH
considering bringing in a kid who hasn't touched a football in four years to compete or even usurp Forcier can't exactly be a huge confidence booster.
I guess this is why I don't understand wizards.
Stop it. I'm getting flashbacks of a gig I did for Ford.
by domer.mq
, Wednesday, April 15, 2009, 10:58 (6252 days ago) @ BPH
It wasn't pleasant.
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