Per B&G Leonard has injured shoulder

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This weekend against Purdue.

Maybe they got some results back during/after the press conference? I can appreciate Freeman being all Belichick about this, but another example of some strange behavior/public statements.

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If there is a benching type substance on the table he has every incentive to shut it down for the year to try to get at least one more payday

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NIL is bringing to the table, all these universities are going to need to seriously expand their in-house legal departments.

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ND had the lead until later in the fourth quarter. Until Leonard threw the interception, it looked like we were going to escape with the win. The next opportunity was with 24 seconds left in the game, so putting a cold QB in that situation was unlikely to work out.

Hindsight is 20/20, but looking back at the flow of the game, there weren’t many obvious opportunities to make a QB change.

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his helmet on for a bunch of the first half.

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sideline throws on his own accord? Or are you saying he must have been instructed to, like a relief pitcher.

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usually with a helmet on, and not usually throwing to starting (or at least rotation) receivers.

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walking off the field after that play. Referenced this below, but given other options it is beyond idiotic to put Leonard back on the field if he's physically compromised to such a degree that it affects how he plays or how the staff uses him. Particularly in a close game.

A decision at this level is Freeman's call and he screwed the pooch Saturday, IMO.

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Your arm basically dislocates with certain movements/in certain positions. Its painful when the dislocation happens, but isn't terribly painful at rest.

Signed, a guy who tore his labrum 20 years ago.

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With whatever was going on they called a kill shot pass with the game on the line AND Leonard decided to try to throw it 55 yards on a rope

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sorry

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- Riley's camp getting that out there as a way to defuse some of the criticism of his play.
- ND's camp getting that out there as a way to clear a path for him to be benched.
- He's actually injured.

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Make Purdue rep significantly for the QB run game. I am sure they have spent all summer slicing and dicing Leonard's game

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I’m gonna need a better injury than that

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Its not going to affect your ability to throw (obviously), but you should probably try to avoid getting driven into the ground on your left side to make it worse.

If his ability to run has basically been neutered, I don't even know why there's a discussion here. They can't possibly believe he's a better option as a pocket passer than Angeli, or even Minchey.

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It wouldn't be one that would necessarily keep him from playing, or even drastically affect his ability to play. But running him out there at less than 90% (likely) when he's already clearly not playing well, and have viable options on the bench, is akin to coaching malpractice.

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"Blue & Gold and On3’s Pete Nakos have confirmed with sources that Leonard injured his left labrum taking a hit against the Huskies. The Fighting Irish signal-caller underwent an MRI on his non-throwing shoulder over the weekend, which revealed the ailment. He is still expected to play Saturday at Purdue in spite of the prognosis."

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that this is it. For now.

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If he actually has an identifiable injury, we already know it's affecting him. Lack of runs after that stupid throwaway plus "The Underthrow" clearly show it's a problem.

Either the coaches are wantonly irresponsible, or we actually don't have a better option. Neither are good.

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It's fucking stupid.

I will give it a pass if they end up starting Angeli, saying 'it just stiffened up late in the week and he couldn't go.'

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or Minchey or Carr. NU's 5-star frosh has looked great.

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we saw last Saturday.

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is that I'm asking myself whether Wimbush is the right comparison or whether, at least at times, his passing has been closer to Andrew Hendrix.

Once you're asking THAT question........

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He was a 95th percentile runner from the QB position and could run a great script through the air

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Riley Leonard has a body of evidence at a power-conference school that suggests he's on a different level as a passer than the guys who are being mentioned as comps. He was 64% on completions at Duke across 13 games two years ago, threw TD/INT at over a 3/1 rate. That's not Penix level but it's pretty good for an underclassman playing without much skill talent at his disposal.

Brandon Wimbush started at ND for parts of two seasons. In the longer stint where he started 12 games, Wimbush completed fewer than 50% of his pass attempts. He returned the following season and bumped that up to a hot 53% rate and threw 4 TDs to go along with 6 interceptions. He had a big arm and some potential, but Wimbush was an unmitigated disaster throwing the football. His body of work in the art of screen passes is nearly unparalleled among college QBs.

Getting back to Leonard, there's clearly some discomfort with Denbrock's system and a lack of chemistry with the receivers right now. But this is based on a sample size of two (2) games, the first of which ended with him completing a couple of clutch throws and leading the team on an 85-yard, game-winning TD drive late in the fourth quarter in a hostile environment. Maybe he never gets appreciably better at throwing the football here; maybe he never even gets the opportunity based on the news of the day. But I think it's presumptuous to pass judgment about Leonard based on such a small sample size when he's exhibited a level of competence elsewhere.

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I don't know whether he's a great or good or mediocre or poor QB.

I do know that one pass was horrifically underthrown and likely cost ND the game on Saturday and that for much of the game he appeared out of sync with his receivers (particularly vis-a-vis NIU's much inferior QB who was clearly very in sync with his own). And yeah, I said go ahead and sit him. But it wasn't because I don't think he's good. It was because after a loss like that you have to reevaluate this season and start coaching and playing for next (or for your pro draft ranking if you're out of eligibility).

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other two guys. But based on his play so far this year, the mere fact that I even THOUGHT of Andrew Hendrix is big trouble.

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Wimbush was awesome as a runner and decent as a passer for much of 2017. 16 TDs and 6 INTs passing (121 Rating) to go with 14 TDs and 800+ rushing yards at 5.7 per. Leonard has 3.4 ypc on 23 rushes (pace for 120 yards) and 5.2 ypa/98 pass rating

I feel like a jerk but also remember Leonard has cleared more $$$ this year than Wimbush, whom I assume is having a good and productive professional career, is likely to clear before he turns 35

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I think maybe it was my first post? That's a loaded comparison.

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Has Buchner been on the sidelines BTW? I think I've seen him.

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it's quite another to continue with the same course of action that got you in that situation to begin with. Like one I can, maybe with time, understand if not forgive, but the second will get me to "fire him" much, much sooner.

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If we don't give him the first 4-5 games to get his reps in, we won't have given him a fair shot. Should be good after that, I reckon.

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the Polo Grounds

Per B&G Leonard has injured shoulder

Irish Illustrated tweeting that "its unclear if he'll play"

I don't know what his contract says, but

Man, if this is the type of stuff

And they never considered replacing him? Da fuq?

I kind of get not benching him at the end

They absolutely considered it. Angeli was throwing with

As the/a backup, wouldn't he have the right to make

You often see those guys throwing with walk-ons. But not

He looked like his g-d arm was out of the socket

And that's what would happen with a torn labrum

And it was the non-throwing arm, right?

Correct

The mind reels

It actually traveled abot 43 yards. Needed to be 48

or 60 BUT NOT FUCKING 43

I see 3 ways to read that.

I think it's all 3 at once.

Plus 4

The Venn Diagram is a circle.

Consider face saved.

MRI shows Injured Left labrum. Expected to play Purdue

Wait. His NON-throwing shoulder?

Safe bet he's been told

If that's the injury

was that official from ND, or from reporting

Sources. (more)

Maybe that's just to keep Purdue guessing?

I'll give them the benefit of the doubt

This is stupid.

it's not stupid

Of course we have an option. Steve Angeli

Who looked pretty darn good in the Sun Bowl --

I can't see how Angeli or Carr are worse options than

What scares the bejeezus out of me when it comes to Leonard

Wimbush was way better than Leonard

Can we come back from Crazytown for a second here?

Agreed

Yes. Leonard's full body of work is much better than those

I'm only going off what I've seen at ND

I got crucified on here for comparing Buchner to Hendrix

I thought Buchner? Hendrix? UGH

Pretty sure he's signalling plays.

Narrator: They aren't

It's one thing to lose to NIU at home as a 30 point favorite

Remember, Leonard missed all spring practice

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