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ranking coaching hires - Brady Hoke

by Jay ⌂, San Diego, Tuesday, April 05, 2011, 11:38

Remember this exercise? Where would you put Michigan hiring Hoke on this list?

4.93 Alabama hires Nick Saban - met
4.50 Florida hires Urban Meyer - met; possibly exceeded
4.37 Arkansas hires Bobby Petrino - in progress, but looking good
4.13 ND hires Brian Kelly - in progress
3.87 Ole Miss hires Houston Nutt - incomplete, probably a bit under
3.83 Georgia Tech hires Paul Johnson - underperformed
3.53 Michigan hires Rich Rodriguez - severely underperformed
3.27 Colorado hires Dan Hawkins - severely underperformed; fired
3.23 Michigan State hires Mark Dantonio - exceeded expectations
3.00 Nebraska hires Bo Pelini - incomplete, but seems to be working out
2.90 Miami hires Al Golden - ask again later
2.86 Ohio State hires Jim Tressel - exceeded expectations
2.73 Oregon hires Chip Kelly - exceeded expectations
2.70 Florida State hires Jimbo Fisher - looks promising
2.54 Stanford hires Jim Harbaugh - exceeded by a longshot
2.47 Miami hires Randy Shannon - underperformed; fired
2.43 Florida hires Will Muschamp - ask again later
2.43 ND hires Charlie Weis - underperformed; fired
2.43 USC hires Pete Carroll - exceeded by a mile
2.33 Washington hires Steve Sarkisian - in progress, but slightly under
1.77 Auburn hires Gene Chizik - exceeded
1.77 Tennessee hires Lane Kiffin - probably met expectations given how low they were
1.67 USC hires Lane Kiffin - in progress, will be tempered by sanctions
1.00 Washington hires Ty Willingham - underperformed even these abysmal expectations

http://www.bluegraysky.com/forum/index.php?id=41672

Tags:
coaches, hires

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This might not be fair, BUT

by Domer99, John Wesley Powell's Expedition Island, Wednesday, April 06, 2011, 06:24 @ Jay

I have him as a 2.5. The same grade I gave the Weis hire. This strikes me as pretty similar to ND's situation 6 years ago.

It's probably not fair to Hoke because he does have head coaching experience at 2 different stops. I just have yet to buy into the hype of his past experience.

Consider Brian Kelly: the guy coached at Cincy and Central Michigan and made those teams pretty consistent winners. Those are historicaly terrible programs.

The case for Hoke? He took over 2 very bad programs and made them competitive.

I realize my analysis is extremely shallow and superficial, but the fruit couldn't hang any lower for Michigan. And it's a huge step (think double what ND's was when Weis was hired) down from Michigan's intended target.

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a couple of nits

by HumanRobot @, Cybertron, Tuesday, April 05, 2011, 12:05 @ Jay

Did Willingham, Weis, and Shannon really underperform?

Willingham unilaterally received the worst possible grade and produced the worst possible result.

Weis basically got a 50%. He produced 1 awesome, 1 good, 2 average, and 1 terrible season. Isn't that more or less the expectation for the middle grade on your scale? Same argument for Shannon.

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Even the most ardent Willingham hater

by Mike, Tuesday, April 05, 2011, 12:29 @ HumanRobot

couldn't have predicted the loss to hapless WSU in 2008 that clinched Washington's winless Season on the Stink.

Also, I think calling the 2008 and 2009 seasons average is generous.

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I meant average about as literally as possible

by HumanRobot @, Cybertron, Tuesday, April 05, 2011, 14:33 @ Mike

I'd imagine 13-12 over 2 years against Div I teams is literally average (or very close).

On an ND scale, those seasons were failures.

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The Stanford loss was worse

by CW (Rakes) @, Harlan County, Tuesday, April 05, 2011, 12:33 @ Mike

The Cardinal were 0-11 outside of playing Washington that season, and the Willingham offense earned 161 yards and 12 first downs.

If you all don't mind a little self-promotion, a summary of the Willingham Era at UW: http://www.rakesofmallow.com/2008/10/23/640829/a-brief-history-of-ty-will

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Am I remembering this correctly?

by Jeremy (WeIsND), Offices of Babip Pecota Vorp & Eckstein, Tuesday, April 05, 2011, 12:49 @ CW (Rakes)

Weren't there articles floating around after that 4-1 start in 2006 suggesting that the Willingham hire by Washington was much better than the Weis hire? Wasn't Dodd part of that charade?

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Dodd ranked Willingham ahead of Weis

by Pete, Tuesday, April 05, 2011, 13:13 @ Jeremy (WeIsND)

in his offseason coaching hires rankings before the season started in 2005. That might be as far as his nonsense went.

http://www.cbssports.com/print/collegefootball/story/8115027

It's actually not a terrible list -- except for Ed Orgeron at #3.

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Hmm, maybe that was it

by Jeremy (WeIsND), Offices of Babip Pecota Vorp & Eckstein, Tuesday, April 05, 2011, 13:21 @ Pete

Mendenhall, Hoeppner and Holtz obviously should be much higher, but you're right - its not a terrible list.

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Somewhere between Harbaugh and Pelini

by BPH, San Diego, Tuesday, April 05, 2011, 11:58 @ Jay

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I have him as a 3

by HumanRobot @, Cybertron, Tuesday, April 05, 2011, 11:47 @ Jay

I had put most guys with coaching experience as a 3. Tempted to downgrade Hoke since I don't think he's a good fit for existing talent.

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I think I'd put him around Dantonio to MSU

by Jay ⌂, San Diego, Tuesday, April 05, 2011, 12:30 @ HumanRobot

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He may not be a good fit for existing talent

by Jeremy (WeIsND), Offices of Babip Pecota Vorp & Eckstein, Tuesday, April 05, 2011, 11:57 @ HumanRobot

But it seems like he's a good fit for what Michigan wants to do, long-term (ie, build up the defense, return to recruiting the Midwest, play a more blue-collar type of football). Provided he's given a long enough leash, I think he'll work out OK (particularly if the NCAA craters OSU over the next few seasons).

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Exactly, which is why I think it's a point in his favor

by Jack @, Tuesday, April 05, 2011, 13:35 @ Jeremy (WeIsND)

I take the view that they hired him precisely because he's not a fit with the existing offensive talent. Michigan fans had had quite enough of the RichRod style offense and want to go back to the Bo-Moeller-Carr model, and are willing to endure some short term pain to get back to that.

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He's good for Michigan...

by BPH, San Diego, Tuesday, April 05, 2011, 11:59 @ Jeremy (WeIsND)

in that he's good enough to win 70-75 percent of his games and win the Big Ten every few seasons, but he's not good enough to win the national title, which isn't their goal anyway.

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Precisely

by Jeremy (WeIsND), Offices of Babip Pecota Vorp & Eckstein, Tuesday, April 05, 2011, 12:11 @ BPH

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