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ranking coaching hires - Brady Hoke

by Jay ⌂, San Diego, Tuesday, April 05, 2011, 11:38

Remember this exercise? Where would you put Michigan hiring Hoke on this list?

4.93 Alabama hires Nick Saban - met
4.50 Florida hires Urban Meyer - met; possibly exceeded
4.37 Arkansas hires Bobby Petrino - in progress, but looking good
4.13 ND hires Brian Kelly - in progress
3.87 Ole Miss hires Houston Nutt - incomplete, probably a bit under
3.83 Georgia Tech hires Paul Johnson - underperformed
3.53 Michigan hires Rich Rodriguez - severely underperformed
3.27 Colorado hires Dan Hawkins - severely underperformed; fired
3.23 Michigan State hires Mark Dantonio - exceeded expectations
3.00 Nebraska hires Bo Pelini - incomplete, but seems to be working out
2.90 Miami hires Al Golden - ask again later
2.86 Ohio State hires Jim Tressel - exceeded expectations
2.73 Oregon hires Chip Kelly - exceeded expectations
2.70 Florida State hires Jimbo Fisher - looks promising
2.54 Stanford hires Jim Harbaugh - exceeded by a longshot
2.47 Miami hires Randy Shannon - underperformed; fired
2.43 Florida hires Will Muschamp - ask again later
2.43 ND hires Charlie Weis - underperformed; fired
2.43 USC hires Pete Carroll - exceeded by a mile
2.33 Washington hires Steve Sarkisian - in progress, but slightly under
1.77 Auburn hires Gene Chizik - exceeded
1.77 Tennessee hires Lane Kiffin - probably met expectations given how low they were
1.67 USC hires Lane Kiffin - in progress, will be tempered by sanctions
1.00 Washington hires Ty Willingham - underperformed even these abysmal expectations

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This might not be fair, BUT

by Domer99, John Wesley Powell's Expedition Island, Wednesday, April 06, 2011, 06:24 @ Jay

I have him as a 2.5. The same grade I gave the Weis hire. This strikes me as pretty similar to ND's situation 6 years ago.

It's probably not fair to Hoke because he does have head coaching experience at 2 different stops. I just have yet to buy into the hype of his past experience.

Consider Brian Kelly: the guy coached at Cincy and Central Michigan and made those teams pretty consistent winners. Those are historicaly terrible programs.

The case for Hoke? He took over 2 very bad programs and made them competitive.

I realize my analysis is extremely shallow and superficial, but the fruit couldn't hang any lower for Michigan. And it's a huge step (think double what ND's was when Weis was hired) down from Michigan's intended target.


a couple of nits

by HumanRobot @, Cybertron, Tuesday, April 05, 2011, 12:05 @ Jay

Did Willingham, Weis, and Shannon really underperform?

Willingham unilaterally received the worst possible grade and produced the worst possible result.

Weis basically got a 50%. He produced 1 awesome, 1 good, 2 average, and 1 terrible season. Isn't that more or less the expectation for the middle grade on your scale? Same argument for Shannon.


Even the most ardent Willingham hater

by Mike, Tuesday, April 05, 2011, 12:29 @ HumanRobot

couldn't have predicted the loss to hapless WSU in 2008 that clinched Washington's winless Season on the Stink.

Also, I think calling the 2008 and 2009 seasons average is generous.


I meant average about as literally as possible

by HumanRobot @, Cybertron, Tuesday, April 05, 2011, 14:33 @ Mike

I'd imagine 13-12 over 2 years against Div I teams is literally average (or very close).

On an ND scale, those seasons were failures.


The Stanford loss was worse

by CW (Rakes) @, Harlan County, Tuesday, April 05, 2011, 12:33 @ Mike

The Cardinal were 0-11 outside of playing Washington that season, and the Willingham offense earned 161 yards and 12 first downs.

If you all don't mind a little self-promotion, a summary of the Willingham Era at UW:


Am I remembering this correctly?

by Jeremy (WeIsND), Offices of Babip Pecota Vorp & Eckstein, Tuesday, April 05, 2011, 12:49 @ CW (Rakes)

Weren't there articles floating around after that 4-1 start in 2006 suggesting that the Willingham hire by Washington was much better than the Weis hire? Wasn't Dodd part of that charade?


Dodd ranked Willingham ahead of Weis

by Pete, Tuesday, April 05, 2011, 13:13 @ Jeremy (WeIsND)

in his offseason coaching hires rankings before the season started in 2005. That might be as far as his nonsense went.

It's actually not a terrible list -- except for Ed Orgeron at #3.


Hmm, maybe that was it

by Jeremy (WeIsND), Offices of Babip Pecota Vorp & Eckstein, Tuesday, April 05, 2011, 13:21 @ Pete

Mendenhall, Hoeppner and Holtz obviously should be much higher, but you're right - its not a terrible list.


Somewhere between Harbaugh and Pelini

by BPH, San Diego, Tuesday, April 05, 2011, 11:58 @ Jay

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I have him as a 3

by HumanRobot @, Cybertron, Tuesday, April 05, 2011, 11:47 @ Jay

I had put most guys with coaching experience as a 3. Tempted to downgrade Hoke since I don't think he's a good fit for existing talent.


I think I'd put him around Dantonio to MSU

by Jay ⌂, San Diego, Tuesday, April 05, 2011, 12:30 @ HumanRobot

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He may not be a good fit for existing talent

by Jeremy (WeIsND), Offices of Babip Pecota Vorp & Eckstein, Tuesday, April 05, 2011, 11:57 @ HumanRobot

But it seems like he's a good fit for what Michigan wants to do, long-term (ie, build up the defense, return to recruiting the Midwest, play a more blue-collar type of football). Provided he's given a long enough leash, I think he'll work out OK (particularly if the NCAA craters OSU over the next few seasons).


Exactly, which is why I think it's a point in his favor

by Jack @, Tuesday, April 05, 2011, 13:35 @ Jeremy (WeIsND)

I take the view that they hired him precisely because he's not a fit with the existing offensive talent. Michigan fans had had quite enough of the RichRod style offense and want to go back to the Bo-Moeller-Carr model, and are willing to endure some short term pain to get back to that.


He's good for Michigan...

by BPH, San Diego, Tuesday, April 05, 2011, 11:59 @ Jeremy (WeIsND)

in that he's good enough to win 70-75 percent of his games and win the Big Ten every few seasons, but he's not good enough to win the national title, which isn't their goal anyway.



by Jeremy (WeIsND), Offices of Babip Pecota Vorp & Eckstein, Tuesday, April 05, 2011, 12:11 @ BPH

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