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the turnover TD in football

by Jay ⌂, San Diego, Wednesday, January 03, 2018, 16:27

Is this the most wildcard, jackpot play in all of sports?

I'm trying to think of comparable rewards in other sports and coming up empty.

It's as if you gave a pitcher 3 runs to HIS team if he catches a line drive off the bat. Or if you got four points for BLOCKING a shot in basketball.

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Turnovers are an exchange of expected points

by LaFortune Teller ⌂ @, South Bend, Wednesday, January 03, 2018, 19:40 @ Jay

and a turnover returned for a TD is an exchange of expected points for actual points. How much value is exchanged is often pretty random, though field position is a factor. A pick-six on a 90+ yard return is a more devastating value exchange than a pick-six on a 5-yard return, even though they show up the same on the scoreboard.

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If the average game only contains 60 points or so

by Jeff (BGS), A starter home in suburban Tempe, Thursday, January 04, 2018, 10:02 @ LaFortune Teller
edited by Jeff (BGS), Thursday, January 04, 2018, 10:16

Then a pick 6 will shift 10% of the scoring of a game to one team. A little more if you count the extra point and field position change. A pick six from your own 25 would have no impact based on field position, but from the opponent's 10 or so would probably have another 4-5 points.

To put that 10% in perspective, a basketball game probably averages around 140 points, so it would take seven breakaway scores off of steals in a row to equate a pick six. Hockey only scores about 5 goals per game, so a shorthanded goal might have even more impact than a pick 6.

I think there is also a "effort" element to scoring in football which makes easy points particularly valuable. A scoring drive requires a series of successful plays in a row, so a score on one play is particularly valuable, and taking a possession from the other team even more so (although a pick six is so fast that the other team will likely gain an extra possession to make up for the one lost). There are only a dozen or so scoring opportunities (possessions) per team per game. Contrast that to basketball or hockey, were there are many scoring chances (30 shots/game for hockey, for instance).

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Shorthanded goal?

by MattG, Wednesday, January 03, 2018, 17:17 @ Jay

Not quite as devastating or random, but still in that ballpark, maybe.

This is more like when a team dares the other team to guess, they double-dare back, and the first team knows the answer for double points. A strategy that was essentially never used on Double Dare.

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or the “chance to steal” in Family Feud

by Jay ⌂, San Diego, Wednesday, January 03, 2018, 17:39 @ MattG

The Harbaugh family did all the hard work clearing the board while the Grudens can swoop in at the end, answer one lousy question, and steal the round.

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More families should defer.

by San Pedro, Wednesday, January 03, 2018, 17:59 @ Jay

The game almost always comes down to the steal!

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The Cameron family likes to put our offense on the field 1st

by scriptcomesfirst @, Wednesday, January 03, 2018, 19:25 @ San Pedro

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Hubris!

by San Pedro, Thursday, January 04, 2018, 07:13 @ scriptcomesfirst

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Also from hockey, the delayed penalty/pulled goalie own goal

by Captain Robb, Wednesday, January 03, 2018, 17:31 @ MattG

Maybe not in the same league as the defensive TD since it happens like twice a season across 1300+ games, but a solid nut-punch nonetheless.


"Look out!! OH NO!!!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXmBfqI6u6g


"...not the start this guy wants with his new team"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0xCkgw3KnQ

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the soccer own-goal for sure

by Jay ⌂, San Diego, Wednesday, January 03, 2018, 17:40 @ Captain Robb

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Except the ball has to be in your defending end...

by ndroman21, Wednesday, January 03, 2018, 18:58 @ Jay

...for an own goal to occur. Possession is also much more fluid in both soccer and hockey. A fast break off of a TO in basketball can be similar but possessions aren’t worth as much.

I’m not sure there’s ever been a more devastating play in sports history than the 2010 95+ yard fumble return(s) we endured. Twice.

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Usually, but not necessarily

by Savage, Around Ye Olde Colonial College, Wednesday, January 03, 2018, 19:13 @ ndroman21

(okay, technically he kicked it from inside his own half, but he got possession and began the move from beyond halfway)

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What was he trying to do there?

by ndroman21, Wednesday, January 03, 2018, 19:59 @ Savage

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Score an own goal.

by Tim, Chicago, IL, Wednesday, January 03, 2018, 20:48 @ ndroman21

He good.

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