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Houston Griffith de-committed from FSU today

by Jeremy (WeIsND), Offices of Babip Pecota Vorp & Eckstein, Wednesday, November 29, 2017, 20:18

Consensus seems to be that he'll end up at ND, and will be an EE.

His position is unknown at this point, but he seems to want to play ASAP. As a result, I'd be surprised if he doesn't start out at safety. Its certainly possible that we could be playing two true freshmen at safety next year.

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No way, Jose

by Mike (bart), Wednesday, November 29, 2017, 21:40 @ Jeremy (WeIsND)

I'd rather have true frosh at CB than S. Really, really hard to have a good defense with green safeties. You can scheme to protect corners, can't really hide safeties in the long run. Move Love, if you must

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He is one of at least 3 that FSU lost today.

by River, Hell of the Upside Down Sinners, Wednesday, November 29, 2017, 21:08 @ Jeremy (WeIsND)

WTF!?!

Sign of somebody on the move?

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That's what they're saying.

by professor @, Tallahassee, Thursday, November 30, 2017, 04:15 @ River

https://www.tomahawknation.com/2017/11/26/16702390/jimbo-fisher-texas-am-florida-state-...

-Multiple sources within Florida State University have told Tomahawk Nation that they do not expect Jimbo Fisher to return, but rather to take the Texas A&M job. An announcement could come Thursday.

-Things are progressing at such a rate that sources are now expressing doubt about Fisher coaching the season finale against Louisiana Monroe.

-If Fisher does not coach the season finale, sources believe Odell Haggins, the associate head coach/defensive tackles coach, would serve as the interim.

-As we’ve been reporting, Florida State has been doing little to no recruiting for close to a month, and the fruit rotting on the vine finally fell Wednesday night, as three top players pulled their commitments. At the time it was tough to tell whether Florida State was doing this because it didn’t want lame duck assistants to be recruiting for it, as coaching changes were expected, or if the head man was leaving. It now seems clear it was the latter. The recruiting class is falling apart.

-FSU is being proactive with a search committee and firm. It speaks volumes that FSU is not waiting on an official word from Fisher. As discussed below, Oregon’s Willie Taggart and Virginia Tech’s Justin Fuente are top options, per sources close to the search. A background check was done on Taggart Wednesday. Oregon has offered Taggart an extension, and the fact that it is public seems to be an attempt by the Ducks to show that they are serious about attempting to keep the Florida native.

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What a goofy situation

by Jack @, Thursday, November 30, 2017, 09:06 @ professor

Who does FSU think they're going to get? Are they thinking Scott Frost?

Because if they don't get him, they might find out the hard way that coaches that win NC's don't grow on trees.

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There's a lot at play there

by Brendan ⌂ @, The Chemical and Oil Refinery State, Thursday, November 30, 2017, 09:48 @ Jack

For one, the succession from Bowden to Jimbo wasn't smooth because Jimbo wasn't Bowden's guy. FSU hired him as the heir apparent, which set up tension between Fisher and Bowden to begin with, and then the tension got worse when Bowden really lost his fastball but didn't want to leave. There are those among FSU's boosters who never quite embraced Jimbo because of that, and as a result there has always been some level of tension between him and the admin/boosters.

He also just got divorced, which isn't the end of the world of course but I think it's an additional stressor about life in Tallahassee. Supposedly his ex and his kids would move to Houston if he takes the A&M job, as one of his sons has a health condition that a Houston hospital specializes in. So it's not like it's a total escape, and that dynamic might be pretty complicated, but keeping the band together, as it were, is not a draw for Tallahassee.

Finally, and I think most importantly, this is the third straight season in which he has made overtures to other programs. Whether that's to strong-arm an extension out of FSU or, like this year apparently, because he actually wants to leave, the FSU faithful have pretty much had it with him. You know all too well that there are plenty of ND fans who turned irrevocably on Kelly when he interviewed with the Eagles. Additional context around that, I know, but imagine if he did something like that in 2013 and 2014 as well. He'd be ridden out of town on a rail.

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You left off a big one

by BPH, San Diego, Thursday, November 30, 2017, 10:50 @ Brendan

He's not happy about the facilities situation at FSU, which ties into why he's been looking to leave for a while now.

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What's his beef with their facilities? Are they that bad?

by Jack @, Thursday, November 30, 2017, 16:27 @ BPH

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Tennessee or FSU: Which is wackier?

by Chris @, Raleigh, NC, Thursday, November 30, 2017, 10:09 @ Brendan

The Noles seem to be coming on strong.

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Wow, there's a hell of a lot going on there!

by Jack @, Thursday, November 30, 2017, 10:07 @ Brendan

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Heh

by Greg, the 'Dena, Thursday, November 30, 2017, 09:57 @ Brendan

You know all too well that there are plenty of ND fans who turned irrevocably on Kelly when he interviewed with the Eagles. Additional context around that, I know, but imagine if he did something like that in 2013 and 2014 as well. He'd be ridden out of town on a rail.

Convenient excuse, not cause.

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Fuente and Taggart are the main ones being mentioned.

by professor @, Tallahassee, Thursday, November 30, 2017, 09:10 @ Jack

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What about Gilman?

by JD in Portland ⌂, Portland OR, Wednesday, November 29, 2017, 21:04 @ Jeremy (WeIsND)

I thought I read somewhere that he was doing great in practice and a lock to start next yr.

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Its been a while since I read any of the practice reports

by Jeremy (WeIsND), Offices of Babip Pecota Vorp & Eckstein, Wednesday, November 29, 2017, 21:25 @ JD in Portland

But I seem to recall that most observers didn't think he stood out, and that even if eligible this year, he might not have made that big an impact.

Perhaps others recall differently.

In any event, Griffith is much more talented than Gilman, so perhaps by the end of the year, he might be ready to overtake him (or anyone else ahead of him).

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Gilman stood out in limited reps in camp

by Brendan ⌂ @, The Chemical and Oil Refinery State, Thursday, November 30, 2017, 08:27 @ Jeremy (WeIsND)

Per various site mods he would've started this year if the NCAA had cleared him, probably opposite Coleman. They had to limit his practice reps as the NCAA appeal dragged on, because they couldn't afford to give him front line reps if he wasn't going to be cleared. And he wasn't, so good play there... As a true freshman at Navy in 2016, he played in all 14 games and was 2nd on the team in tackles, 2nd in PBUs, and 3rd in TFLs. The kid can play.

Also, there were glowing reports on him during our season about how engaged he was and how he had taken a leadership role in workouts and meetings, even though he couldn't play. He sounds like a future captain, honestly.

Coleman played pretty well this year, despite the position change and logging a ton of snaps - I don't know the exact numbers after the Stanford game, but he had the 3rd most on the team behind Love and Tranquill heading into it and probably finished right around 700 snaps. I understand he played that much out of necessity, but still, that's a lot of experience to just push aside.

I'd be very surprised if the starting safeties next year aren't Coleman and Gilman, with Allen working into the rotation. Allen isn't taking Coleman's job - he doesn't profile well for the free safety role at all. Hell, he might even grow out of being a strong safety by the time fall camp rolls around. Houston Griffith is going to play corner first and I think there's a pretty good shot he'll stick there. He showed elite coverage ability at the Opening; Jamie Uyeyama saw him in person and thinks he can be an elite college corner.

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Coleman was pretty good except for the Miami and WF games

by Mike (bart), Thursday, November 30, 2017, 08:32 @ Brendan

Fun facts:

We finished #1 in the country in Opponent Passes of 30+ yards (8), opponent passes of 40+ yards (1), and all other long-pass denominations (0).

We were middle of the pack on most long runs, but notably we only allowed 1 run of 50 yards and 0 runs longer than that

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I'd give him a grade of "solid" for the season

by Brendan ⌂ @, The Chemical and Oil Refinery State, Thursday, November 30, 2017, 09:42 @ Mike (bart)

Or, put another way, a grade of "non-liability, generally speaking." For a converted corner who looked like he had never heard of football last year, that's astounding. He has always had athleticism to spare, so I'm cautiously optimistic that another offseason of position coaching from Elko can turn him into "pretty good."

I didn't know that about the long pass numbers, that's good stuff. I'm not sure anyone really started attacking us down the middle earlier in the season, but then that says a little something in itself. Or, more accurately, it says a bunch of little somethings, one of which is that Coleman et al. did a reasonable job of protecting the deep middle.

That one 50+ yard run was Lewerke's broken play QB sneak, as I remember. That was obviously our fault, but in terms of safety responsibility I can't really blame them for that one. If you pin that on the linebackers (cough Coney! cough), then it looks even better for them.

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I have Coleman as a pick to click for next year

by Mike (bart), Thursday, November 30, 2017, 10:07 @ Brendan

for that kid to put together the season he did after a miserable campaign in 2016 (when he was really exposed by the coaches, but that's another issue) is very impressive to me from a mental fortitude and work ethic perspective. I also think the athleticism has always been there - he looked right at home against Georgia, and the low "big play" numbers are in huge part a testament to him havign the ability to make open field tackles and chase down plays.

I honestly think he can make a Prosise-like jump next year - dude has the potential to be an awesome player.

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Next year

by Jim (fisherj08) @, A Samoan kid's laptop, Wednesday, November 29, 2017, 21:36 @ Jeremy (WeIsND)

It is entirely possible that our two most talented safeties will be freshmen.

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