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HR put this together on Elko

by Jay ⌂, San Diego, Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 08:43

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any thoughts on his abilities as a recruiter?

by Pat, Right behind you, Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 17:02 @ Jay

ND needs some gaps filled in the defensive depth chart, asap.

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No indication of any history of recruiting top players.

by Savage, Around Ye Olde Colonial College, Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 18:38 @ Pat

Wake does have one 4* DL from Georgia committed this year, though.

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Would be nice to grab one or two of his Wake commits

by Jeremy (WeIsND), Offices of Babip Pecota Vorp & Eckstein, Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 18:55 @ Savage

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There is one

by Jeff (BGS), A starter home in suburban Tempe, Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 20:16 @ Jeremy (WeIsND)

Don't know anything about him, but he is a 4-star DE with a good offer list.

https://wakeforest.rivals.com/commitments

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Two, actually - him and CB Troy Simon

by Brendan ⌂ @, The Chemical and Oil Refinery State, Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 20:26 @ Jeff (BGS)

Both have ND offers.

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Given that the opponents may have had their gameplan,

by Jason93, Raining debris all over Europe, Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 15:20 @ Jay

the stats might not be that bad.

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conclusion: not sexy, but competent

by Jay ⌂, San Diego, Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 11:13 @ Jay

He's producing statistically slightly above average defenses at Wake Forest which is encouraging.

Taking into account merely "competent" would have gotten us to the playoffs last year and put us at 8+ wins this year, I'll take competent.

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It will be interesting to see what BK's involvement

by Rob (Rakes of Mallow), Chicago, Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 11:55 @ Jay

on defense is going forward. From what I've read and seen, he typically doesn't concern himself with defense all that much. I wonder if he'll give the same trust to Elko that he did with Diaco and BVG.

I don't know the specifics at WFU, but Clawson was an offensive guy so it could have been the same dynamic there. Which would concern me as a Wake Forest fan because Clawson's offenses have been horrible.

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speak for yourself

by Mike (bart), Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 11:43 @ Jay

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Seriously, though, this would be about as good a hire as I could have hoped for --- a guy who could make us really strong in one specific area. If he could come in and engineer a big leap from our young DBs it would be a pretty big deal

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Stop plagiarizing my Tindr profile.

by MHB (Rakes of Mallow), Chicago, IL, United States, Earth-199999, Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 11:41 @ Jay

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I would swipe right on Elko

by Jay ⌂, San Diego, Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 11:44 @ MHB (Rakes of Mallow)

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wrong app

by HumanRobot @, Cybertron, Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 11:45 @ Jay

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which way am I swiping on Coachr™

by Jay ⌂, San Diego, Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 11:51 @ HumanRobot

Coachr™: America's #1 matchmaking app for Coaches and their prospective suitors

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POWr: A bidding app where fans call plays from the stands?

by Buck Mulligan, Martello Tower, Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 11:57 @ Jay

For $4.99 you get to vote on the next play! Of course NOTRE DAME ALUMS would have priority along with those in Tiers 1 through 3a in our ticketing vortex.

BLITZr bundles available as in-app purchases.

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some jerk loaded the queue with 29 fullback dives

by Jay ⌂, San Diego, Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 12:24 @ Buck Mulligan

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What's new Wildcat, woah-oh-oh-woah-oh.

by Savage, Around Ye Olde Colonial College, Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 21:26 @ Jay

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Can you imagine if we TouchTunesed the 3rd down music?

by Buck Mulligan, Martello Tower, Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 12:35 @ Jay

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I agree. Doesn't seem like the next Dave Aranda (and

by BillyGoat, At Thanksgiving with Joe Bethersontin, Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 11:25 @ Jay

certainly not the current Dave Aranda), but that's a good all-around defense. And the intangibles listed below (familiarity with the option, coaching at a school with academic standard, familiarity with the ACC, and I'd add experience in deigning a defense without anything resembling elite front seven talent*) bolster his case as a quality hire at ND.

*ND talent is undoubtedly superior to what Elko has had at Wake. But I've seen ND fans argue that we should "BUTBT" for Venables. IIRC, the Venables defenses at Oklahoma were not terribly well regarded. Venables' defenses at Clemson have been amazing, but he's had the luxury of incredible DL talent down there that just isn't available at ND. I feel better about Elko building on his success at Wake based on the improved talent than I would feel about Venables replicating his success at Clemson.

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added in turnover numbers. about average

by Jay ⌂, San Diego, Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 10:55 @ Jay

The national average is around 22 gained per season. Elko's teams hover around that, but they took a big leap between 2015 and 2016.

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What about TFL and sack numbers?

by BillyGoat, At Thanksgiving with Joe Bethersontin, Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 11:00 @ Jay

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sacks: among nat'l leaders last year with 37

by Jay ⌂, San Diego, Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 11:08 @ BillyGoat

Prior to that, average to above average. National average is about 25/year.

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"Average" would be a quantum leap forward for us

by Brendan ⌂ @, The Chemical and Oil Refinery State, Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 11:11 @ Jay

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Nyles Morgan had more sacks than the ENTIRE D-Line!

by Mike (bart), Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 11:45 @ Brendan

Nyles morgan was not in the National Top 100 for Individuals in sacks

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another plus is ACC familiarity

by Jay ⌂, San Diego, Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 11:15 @ Brendan

He's not dropping in cold, like Uncle Rico was.

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added TFL. slightly above average (avg is about 75/yr)

by Jay ⌂, San Diego, Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 11:05 @ BillyGoat

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observations

by HumanRobot @, Cybertron, Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 09:46 @ Jay

If you assume he's at a massive talent deficit at Wake, then his performance there looks good. Definitely in light of the Kelly "keep points down" mantra. Some really nice top end performances at Bowling Green where his talent level was probably more comparable. To opposition.

I don't think Brown from BC is an appropriate comparison, since he got those top end results at a massive talent deficit as well.

Seems like a solid DC, but I don't see anything that screams "elite DC".

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I glanced at Wake recruiting rankings yesterday

by Jay ⌂, San Diego, Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 09:55 @ HumanRobot

They haven't been better than about 50th over the past five or six years.

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Speaking of, can't find anything on his recruiting chops

by Jeremy (WeIsND), Offices of Babip Pecota Vorp & Eckstein, Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 12:10 @ Jay

But probably safe to assume we're looking at something closer to Diaco/BVG than Fickell on that front.

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This doesn't address him specifically

by BPH, San Diego, Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 14:55 @ Jeremy (WeIsND)

But of Wake's 18 commitments, eight of them are 3 stars or higher on Rivals, and six of those are defensive players.

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I agree. Also, they play Army every year, as well as

by BillyGoat, At Thanksgiving with Joe Bethersontin, Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 09:52 @ HumanRobot

probably two absolute cupcakes, so that could be inflating Wake's pass defense numbers, which appear to be the their strength.

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Playing Army frequently in a plus, though

by CK08, Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 10:10 @ BillyGoat

Experience against the triple option should be a pre-requisite for an ND defensive coordinator.

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in their games this year against good offenses

by Jay ⌂, San Diego, Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 10:00 @ BillyGoat

* held Florida State to 17 (avg 35)

* held Army to 21 (avg 29)

* held Louisville to 44 (avg 45)

* held Clemson to 35 (avg 40)

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he was named nat'l DC of the week after the Syracuse game

by Jay ⌂, San Diego, Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 10:24 @ Jay

Syracuse sort of fell off offensively as the year went on, but this was still a good performance for Wake's defense.

http://www.wakeforestsports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/101316aac.html

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And they had three great quarters against Louisville

by CW (Rakes) @, Harlan County, Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 10:39 @ Jay

Then things got, uh, less great.

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Interesting to see marked improvement in PPG data

by LaFortune Teller ⌂ @, South Bend, Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 09:05 @ Jay

at each stop, but that isn't reflected in the opp-adjusted numbers.

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Looking at Bowling Green's 2013 season

by CK08, Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 09:28 @ LaFortune Teller

Where they were 5th in points allowed while having weak rankings in the advanced stats, they absolutely dominated some really bad teams defensively: Murray State, UMass, Miami of Ohio, and Eastern Michigan scored 24 points combined. They did have a couple of impressive games though - shutting out a decent Ohio team and only allowing 7 to Tulsa, who was bad but managed to score against everyone else.

There aren't any red flags the rest of the season (42 points to an explosive Indiana offense is understandable at Bowling Green), but I think the really bad teams are the source of the impressive PPG number.

That said, if we can start completely shutting down bad offenses (which we haven't done since the 2014 Michigan game), that's progress already. There's two tough games next September (Boston College and Michigan State) that we could win by doing exactly that.

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re: ndphilo's post, I put in the actual dFEI scores

by Jay ⌂, San Diego, Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 09:45 @ CK08

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Thanks

by ndphilo @, Seal Beach, Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 16:22 @ Jay

And sorry for the disappearing post. I generally dislike asking others to do work to find information if I'm not willing to do the work myself, so I (quickly I thought!) took down the post.

Thanks for the additional information.

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Could you add Wake/BG's ranks before his arrival, too?

by Jim (fisherj08) @, A Samoan kid's laptop, Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 08:45 @ Jay

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Looking strictly at points per game

by Jeff (BGS), A starter home in suburban Tempe, Tuesday, December 13, 2016, 14:10 @ Jim (fisherj08)

There seems to be an improvement (~10% at Wake, ~25% at BG):

Wake:
2011 27.4
2012 31.8
2013 24.1 (27.8 ppg)
2014 26.4
2015 24.6
2016 21.8 (24.3 ppg)

Bowling Green
2008 23.2
2009 27.5
2010 33.6 (28.1 ppg)
2011 28.8
2012 16.8
2013 15.9 (20.5 ppg)

Compare that to ND
2011 20.7
2012 12.8
2013 22.4 (18.6 ppg)
2014 29.2
2015 24.1
2016 27.8 (27.0 ppg)
Even throwing out 2012, that is really damning for BVG.

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