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by Jay ⌂, San Diego, Thursday, October 16, 2014, 11:48
edited by Jay, Thursday, October 16, 2014, 11:54

We're up to six. Could use 1-2 more, especially at ILB:

2015 class

DT/DE Dew-Treadway
DT E. Taylor
DT Tiassum

OLB Barajas
OLB Wallace
OLB Bilal

Depth for next year (and the year after) looks pretty good:

defensive line/ends

5 Hounshell
4 Day
4 J. Jones
3 Matuska
3 Rochell
2 Hayes
2 Trumbetti
2 Bonner
2 Blankenship
2 J. Williams
2 Mokwuah
2 Cage
1 Dew-Treadway
1 Tiassum
1 E. Taylor

linebackers

5 Councell
5 Rabasa
4 Okwara
4 Turner
3 J. Smith
3 Randolph
3 Onwualu
2 K. Hill
1 Barajas
1 Wallace
1 Bilal

5 Grace
5 Schmidt
3 Deeb
2 Martini
2 Morgan

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Wallace is a DE in this scheme.

by BillyGoat, At Thanksgiving with Joe Bethersontin, Thursday, October 16, 2014, 11:54 @ Jay

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how the hell...?

by Jay ⌂, San Diego, Thursday, October 16, 2014, 11:55 @ BillyGoat

He's a hundred and nuthin'!

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Weren't we saying similar things about Jhonny last year?

by Jeremy (WeIsND), Offices of Babip Pecota Vorp & Eckstein, Thursday, October 16, 2014, 12:37 @ Jay

Didn't take long for him to start looking like a DE.

I doubt they're expecting him to play for another 2-3 years so there shouldn't be any rush. Concerns about his ability to stuff the run are probably legitimate, but I don't think anyone questions his pass rush ability.

Would be nice to find a way to add a plug-n-play DE/pass rusher in this class or the next. But those guys are damn tough to find.

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isn't Williams 6'5?

by Jay ⌂, San Diego, Thursday, October 16, 2014, 12:39 @ Jeremy (WeIsND)

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Rivals has Wallace at 6'4''

by Jeremy (WeIsND), Offices of Babip Pecota Vorp & Eckstein, Thursday, October 16, 2014, 12:41 @ Jay

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He's listed anywhere from 200 to 215 lbs by the services

by Brendan ⌂ @, The Chemical and Oil Refinery State, Thursday, October 16, 2014, 12:14 @ Jay

I'd say if he can get up to around 240, that'll be big enough to start contributing. He has, as they say, a good frame to add more muscle; give him an entire offseason and freshman year to gain, and I'd be surprised if he's less than that by the time he sees the field.

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I believe Tuck was 6'5 215 in high school.

by JRT, Island of Misfit Toys, Thursday, October 16, 2014, 12:11 @ Jay

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put him on the Schwenke plan

by Pat, Right behind you, Thursday, October 16, 2014, 12:02 @ Jay

It's not a quick plan, but it makes sense.

by Kevin @, Thursday, October 16, 2014, 12:10 @ Pat

Redshirt and load 'em up. Lift, lift, lift, and eat, eat, eat. Lift like a madman, with heavy weights, then eat Thanksgiving dinner five nights a week.

You will gain a shit-ton of muscle, and you will have to swim with a shirt on your fat ass. I believe Sam Mustipher may be on this plan, based on running into him at SDH on Saturday. Jhonny may also be doing some of this -- he went from scrawny to downright hefty; now they just need to lean him back down a touch and get that top-end speed back.

For an example recently discussed, Benardrick McKinney before:

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Benardrick McKinney now:

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Okay. But who says he's a DE and not an OLB?

by Jay ⌂, San Diego, Thursday, October 16, 2014, 12:25 @ Kevin

I mean, it seems like Barajas is the same size, and already somewhat heavier. But he's a linebacker all the way. Why him, and not Wallace?

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Must be frame a/or skills.

by Kevin @, Thursday, October 16, 2014, 12:45 @ Jay

Long-armed, raw players seem to always project as DEs, but I think that conflates experience and IQ, ability and limitation. It's entirely possible an intended DE could end up as an OLB, and vice-versa. My guess is the DE assumption is the starting point, because that's a less-complex position, but it's subject to change.

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yup

by HumanRobot @, Cybertron, Thursday, October 16, 2014, 12:53 @ Kevin

Seems like it's much harder to find an elite or productive WOLB than a DE.

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At least the good folks at ISD. And I think it's just a

by BillyGoat, At Thanksgiving with Joe Bethersontin, Thursday, October 16, 2014, 12:38 @ Jay

matter of having a frame that can put on a bunch more pounds and also his skillset. He's supposed to be a kid with a great first step and a ton of potential as an edge rusher.

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The coaches

by scriptcomesfirst @, Thursday, October 16, 2014, 12:30 @ Jay

That's what they've told him all along. He has a better frame for adding weight than Barajas, too. He will be a guy that puts his hand on the ground and goes most of the time, but he's agile enough to be a great fit in BVG's zone blitzes as well.

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[removed for excessive snark]

by Jay ⌂, San Diego, Thursday, October 16, 2014, 12:34 @ scriptcomesfirst
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What makes them think that? Is it just his frame?

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Well, duh

by scriptcomesfirst @, Thursday, October 16, 2014, 12:41 @ Jay

I said the frame was a factor in my post. More importantly though, there's quite a bit of difference in skill set between the two guys. Barajas is a natural OLB, probably the most natural other than Jalen we recruited in 15 years.

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he's basically played end in high school it sounds like

by Pat, Right behind you, Thursday, October 16, 2014, 12:39 @ Jay

This local article about him committing includes "defensive end" in the headline.

http://www.nola.com/recruiting/index.ssf/2014/10/john_curtis_defensive_end_bo_w.html

And includes the standard "DE hitting QB" action shot. He certainly looks like a pre-college weight room DE.

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thanks, that makes sense

by Jay ⌂, San Diego, Thursday, October 16, 2014, 12:47 @ Pat

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Because my description didn't?

by scriptcomesfirst @, Thursday, October 16, 2014, 14:00 @ Jay

You asked "who says he's a DE and not an OLB" and I responded with:

The coaches... That's what they've told him all along. He has a BETTER FRAME for adding weight than Barajas, too. He will be a guy that puts his on the ground and goes most of the time, but he's agile enough to be a great fit in BVG's zone blitzes as well.

I answered that assuming that you had not read the reports that said he was targeted for DE since the beginning for the above stated reasons. You gave a snarky response for reasons still a mystery to me.

The Pat said "This local article about him committing includes "defensive end" in the headline... He certainly looks like a pre-college weight room DE."

Yeah, I see the difference. Wait, no I don't.

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I included a picture

by Pat, Right behind you, Thursday, October 16, 2014, 16:56 @ scriptcomesfirst

So, that's like an extra 1000 words or so I hear.

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not meant to be snarky

by Jay ⌂, San Diego, Thursday, October 16, 2014, 14:14 @ scriptcomesfirst

Apologies if it came across that way.

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Well...

by scriptcomesfirst @, Thursday, October 16, 2014, 20:05 @ Jay

This is my heavy flow week, so I could be overly sensitive.

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I'd pencil in at least two more this year

by Jim (fisherj08) @, A Samoan kid's laptop, Thursday, October 16, 2014, 11:51 @ Jay

Tevon Coney should come to ND, and I think the coaching staff is going to grab one more pass rushing DE type.

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