Never defer to me on anything
If you squint a certain way, the un-representativeness of the state legislatures is a foundational problem for this country. It arguably was the fundamental issue that precipitated the move from the Articles of Confederation to the Constitution. At least that's the way some at the 1787 convention viewed it -- they argued that Congress under the AOC was rendered useless because state legislatures appointed representatives who would pursue the narrow priorities of the state legislatures rather than the interests of the people of the states. This is why some at the convention pushed for direct election of senators -- partly to prevent the states from meddling in the internal operation of the federal government, but also on the notion that the people of the several states better grasped the significant long-term benefits of an effective central government than their representatives in the state legislatures . This never was a majority position at the convention, but state legislatures appointing senators wasn't really either -- it was favored by some (Dickinson) but was viewed as a barely palatable compromise by many.
It'd be interesting to consider what the country would've looked like if it had direct popular election of senators from the outset. I kinda wonder how that would've shaped the slavery issue.
Complete thread:
- F'ing Platner gonna cost the Dems any chance at the Senate -
BPH,
2026-06-02, 13:16
- It would be just great if Dem public servants and candidates -
BillyGoat,
2026-06-03, 08:02
- He was always a shitty candidate -
Greg,
2026-06-03, 16:29
- Does it affect your opinion -
nedhead,
2026-06-04, 21:12
- No. In fact... - Greg, 2026-06-05, 07:04
- Wasn't Janet Mills the strongly preferred party candidate?
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nedhead,
2026-06-03, 16:54
- Somebody backed him and gave him money -
Greg,
2026-06-03, 17:19
- Elizabeth Warren backed him over Mills -
San Pedro,
2026-06-04, 08:35
- So did Bernie -
Greg,
2026-06-04, 15:37
- are you saying Platner doesn’t believe in his stances? -
Jay,
2026-06-04, 15:57
- What do you think about his personal character? -
Greg,
2026-06-04, 16:31
- you seem to know him better than I do -
Jay,
2026-06-04, 19:50
- It's broader -
Greg,
2026-06-05, 07:02
- But the centrists, they really stand for something.
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nedhead,
2026-06-05, 07:11
- But the centrists, they really stand for something.
- It's broader -
Greg,
2026-06-05, 07:02
- Unreliable how?
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Romulox,
2026-06-04, 18:35
- you seem to know him better than I do -
Jay,
2026-06-04, 19:50
- What do you think about his personal character? -
Greg,
2026-06-04, 16:31
- are you saying Platner doesn’t believe in his stances? -
Jay,
2026-06-04, 15:57
- So did Bernie -
Greg,
2026-06-04, 15:37
- The people? -
nedhead,
2026-06-03, 17:45
- I guess you could blame the party - KGB, 2026-06-04, 06:38
- Elizabeth Warren backed him over Mills -
San Pedro,
2026-06-04, 08:35
- Yes, very much so.
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Publicola,
2026-06-03, 17:09
- Somebody backed him and gave him money -
Greg,
2026-06-03, 17:19
- Does it affect your opinion -
nedhead,
2026-06-04, 21:12
- Swalwell
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BPH,
2026-06-03, 08:10
- Duh.
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BillyGoat,
2026-06-03, 08:40
- Duh.
- He was always a shitty candidate -
Greg,
2026-06-03, 16:29
- Maybe the 17th Amendment was a mistake -
Flann,
2026-06-03, 07:21
- The Senate was a mistake
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Romulox,
2026-06-03, 11:37
- Really? a) there are plenty of “normie” younger Democrats -
Jack,
2026-06-03, 09:56
- I recall Caro being at least somewhat sympathetic -
Flann,
2026-06-03, 10:29
- Agreed on the primary system, of course - Jack, 2026-06-03, 12:01
- I recall Caro being at least somewhat sympathetic -
Flann,
2026-06-03, 10:29
- C'mon, Flann, that's nonsense. -
Publicola,
2026-06-03, 09:05
- You’re correct in the diagnosis -
Flann,
2026-06-03, 09:43
- Never defer to me on anything - Publicola, 2026-06-03, 13:40
- You’re correct in the diagnosis -
Flann,
2026-06-03, 09:43
- I have no problem with his politics and his policies -
BPH,
2026-06-03, 08:09
- Does he continue to do stuff? -
ndbk32,
2026-06-03, 09:56
- they were, and - Jay, 2026-06-03, 10:12
- Politics and policies are central of course -
Flann,
2026-06-03, 08:37
- Character does matter - Regular Joseph, 2026-06-03, 20:28
- Your last paragraph is the key for me - BPH, 2026-06-03, 09:06
- Does he continue to do stuff? -
ndbk32,
2026-06-03, 09:56
- The Senate was a mistake
- Susan Collins is very concerned by the texts
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KGB,
2026-06-02, 17:23
- I'm not convinced this will do him in. -
domer.mq,
2026-06-02, 16:40
- Agreed. I’d like to see OGerry’s take
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Jack,
2026-06-03, 07:31
- We've come a long way from George Mitchell and Bill Cohen. -
OGerry,
2026-06-03, 08:05
- I don't know how true it actually is -
KGB,
2026-06-03, 08:35
- And I would also add -
Jack,
2026-06-03, 08:38
- And if you don't care about prices at the pump, go try to - BillyGoat, 2026-06-03, 08:41
- And I would also add -
Jack,
2026-06-03, 08:38
- Great stuff, thank you -
Jack,
2026-06-03, 08:34
- Ayuh. - OGerry, 2026-06-05, 08:01
- I don't know how true it actually is -
KGB,
2026-06-03, 08:35
- We've come a long way from George Mitchell and Bill Cohen. -
OGerry,
2026-06-03, 08:05
- Maine is a blue state - Dallasdomer, 2026-06-02, 20:26
- Agreed. I’d like to see OGerry’s take
- It would be just great if Dem public servants and candidates -
BillyGoat,
2026-06-03, 08:02