Can we come back from Crazytown for a second here?
Riley Leonard has a body of evidence at a power-conference school that suggests he's on a different level as a passer than the guys who are being mentioned as comps. He was 64% on completions at Duke across 13 games two years ago, threw TD/INT at over a 3/1 rate. That's not Penix level but it's pretty good for an underclassman playing without much skill talent at his disposal.
Brandon Wimbush started at ND for parts of two seasons. In the longer stint where he started 12 games, Wimbush completed fewer than 50% of his pass attempts. He returned the following season and bumped that up to a hot 53% rate and threw 4 TDs to go along with 6 interceptions. He had a big arm and some potential, but Wimbush was an unmitigated disaster throwing the football. His body of work in the art of screen passes is nearly unparalleled among college QBs.
Getting back to Leonard, there's clearly some discomfort with Denbrock's system and a lack of chemistry with the receivers right now. But this is based on a sample size of two (2) games, the first of which ended with him completing a couple of clutch throws and leading the team on an 85-yard, game-winning TD drive late in the fourth quarter in a hostile environment. Maybe he never gets appreciably better at throwing the football here; maybe he never even gets the opportunity based on the news of the day. But I think it's presumptuous to pass judgment about Leonard based on such a small sample size when he's exhibited a level of competence elsewhere.
Complete thread:
- Per B&G Leonard has injured shoulder -
NDinVA,
2024-09-10, 10:10
- Irish Illustrated tweeting that "its unclear if he'll play" -
Jeremy (WeIsND),
2024-09-10, 13:52
- I don't know what his contract says, but -
Mike (bart),
2024-09-10, 14:33
- Man, if this is the type of stuff - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2024-09-10, 15:28
- I don't know what his contract says, but -
Mike (bart),
2024-09-10, 14:33
- And they never considered replacing him? Da fuq? -
Chris,
2024-09-10, 10:50
- I kind of get not benching him at the end - Jeff (BGS), 2024-09-10, 19:14
- They absolutely considered it. Angeli was throwing with -
BillyGoat,
2024-09-10, 12:59
- As the/a backup, wouldn't he have the right to make -
Madtown,
2024-09-10, 13:34
- You often see those guys throwing with walk-ons. But not - BillyGoat, 2024-09-10, 13:36
- As the/a backup, wouldn't he have the right to make -
Madtown,
2024-09-10, 13:34
- He looked like his g-d arm was out of the socket -
KGB,
2024-09-10, 10:43
- And that's what would happen with a torn labrum -
Jeremy (WeIsND),
2024-09-10, 10:52
- And it was the non-throwing arm, right? -
Greg,
2024-09-10, 11:39
- Correct - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2024-09-10, 11:41
- The mind reels -
Mike (bart),
2024-09-10, 11:36
- It actually traveled abot 43 yards. Needed to be 48 -
NDinVA,
2024-09-10, 12:01
- or 60 BUT NOT FUCKING 43 - Grantland, 2024-09-10, 14:23
- It actually traveled abot 43 yards. Needed to be 48 -
NDinVA,
2024-09-10, 12:01
- And it was the non-throwing arm, right? -
Greg,
2024-09-10, 11:39
- And that's what would happen with a torn labrum -
Jeremy (WeIsND),
2024-09-10, 10:52
- I see 3 ways to read that. -
Pete,
2024-09-10, 10:18
- I think it's all 3 at once. -
NDinVA,
2024-09-10, 10:26
- Plus 4 - Mike (bart), 2024-09-10, 11:22
- The Venn Diagram is a circle. - Chris, 2024-09-10, 10:49
- I think it's all 3 at once. -
NDinVA,
2024-09-10, 10:26
- Consider face saved. -
atxND,
2024-09-10, 10:14
- MRI shows Injured Left labrum. Expected to play Purdue -
NDinVA,
2024-09-10, 10:15
- Wait. His NON-throwing shoulder? -
MattG,
2024-09-10, 11:40
- Safe bet he's been told - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2024-09-10, 11:44
- If that's the injury - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2024-09-10, 10:51
- was that official from ND, or from reporting -
Jay,
2024-09-10, 10:46
- Sources. (more) - NDinVA, 2024-09-10, 10:49
- Maybe that's just to keep Purdue guessing? -
ndbk32,
2024-09-10, 10:37
- I'll give them the benefit of the doubt - ReginaldVelJohnson, 2024-09-10, 10:40
- This is stupid. -
ReginaldVelJohnson,
2024-09-10, 10:21
- it's not stupid - HumanRobot, 2024-09-10, 10:35
- Of course we have an option. Steve Angeli -
Jack,
2024-09-10, 10:30
- Who looked pretty darn good in the Sun Bowl -- -
omahadomer,
2024-09-10, 10:39
- I can't see how Angeli or Carr are worse options than -
Grantland,
2024-09-10, 11:16
- What scares the bejeezus out of me when it comes to Leonard -
BillyGoat,
2024-09-10, 13:29
- Wimbush was way better than Leonard -
Mike (bart),
2024-09-10, 14:37
- Can we come back from Crazytown for a second here? -
KGB,
2024-09-10, 14:58
- Agreed - Greg, 2024-09-10, 15:37
- Yes. Leonard's full body of work is much better than those -
BillyGoat,
2024-09-10, 15:04
- I'm only going off what I've seen at ND - Mike (bart), 2024-09-10, 15:17
- I got crucified on here for comparing Buchner to Hendrix - atxND, 2024-09-10, 15:15
- Can we come back from Crazytown for a second here? -
KGB,
2024-09-10, 14:58
- I thought Buchner? Hendrix? UGH -
Grantland,
2024-09-10, 14:33
- Pretty sure he's signalling plays. - BillyGoat, 2024-09-10, 15:02
- Wimbush was way better than Leonard -
Mike (bart),
2024-09-10, 14:37
- Narrator: They aren't - Jeff (BGS), 2024-09-10, 12:21
- What scares the bejeezus out of me when it comes to Leonard -
BillyGoat,
2024-09-10, 13:29
- I can't see how Angeli or Carr are worse options than -
Grantland,
2024-09-10, 11:16
- Who looked pretty darn good in the Sun Bowl -- -
omahadomer,
2024-09-10, 10:39
- It's one thing to lose to NIU at home as a 30 point favorite -
atxND,
2024-09-10, 10:30
- Remember, Leonard missed all spring practice -
ndbk32,
2024-09-10, 10:35
- /s/ - atxND, 2024-09-10, 10:45
- Remember, Leonard missed all spring practice -
ndbk32,
2024-09-10, 10:35
- Wait. His NON-throwing shoulder? -
MattG,
2024-09-10, 11:40
- MRI shows Injured Left labrum. Expected to play Purdue -
NDinVA,
2024-09-10, 10:15
- Irish Illustrated tweeting that "its unclear if he'll play" -
Jeremy (WeIsND),
2024-09-10, 13:52