Question for the Group (starts happily)

by Mike (bart), Sunday, September 08, 2024, 18:12 (33 days ago)
edited by Mike (bart), Sunday, September 08, 2024, 18:16

Assume, as seems very possible, that Michigan is in a world of hurt. That they're going to lose 12 games in the next 2 years and end up firing Moore and having to start over.

For you, would the hardware be worth it?

Or, put another way, do you care more about winning championships or playing at a championship level (or as near to it as you can get)? Would you trade one stupid (championship) decision for another five years of (mediocre) life?

Speaking only for myself, I care more about being good, playing well, being in compelling games, being a quality team, etc. than I do about getting it all to come together in one magical year. I'm pissed about yesterday not because of the way it impacts our playoff hopes, but because it was qualitatively awful and makes me feel like the wheels are never going to be far from coming off under Freeman. That we are very likely on the way to having a lot of crappy, boring football in our future

Anyway, curious, because I think the "random NC" dream is maybe still attainable for Freeman a la, say Gene Chizik, but I'm feeling very shitty about him just not being the caliber of coach I hoped he would be

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Question for the Group (starts happily) - Mike (bart), 2024-09-08, 18:12
- I certainly wouldn't take an asterisk title - Charles, 2024-09-09, 07:48
  - LSU is weird. Over the last 30 years, they are (I think) - BillyGoat, 2024-09-09, 09:23
- Win one without an asterisk? - KGB, 2024-09-09, 07:12
  - Right. I find this whole thing compelling because of the - BillyGoat, 2024-09-09, 07:40
    - And it's kind of a self-fulfilling bit, right? - Mike (bart), 2024-09-09, 07:51
      - If Saban was cheating (and not saying he was) - atxND, 2024-09-09, 08:01
- Semi-hijack - terribletr, 2024-09-09, 04:58
  - It's worth monitoring - Mike (bart), 2024-09-09, 05:19
    - I would really like us - CK08, 2024-09-09, 08:37
- This is an excellent thought exercise - Dallasdomer, 2024-09-08, 20:43
- There will be no more random NCs - BPH, 2024-09-08, 20:05
  - D. In a playoff without Georgia. - BillyGoat, 2024-09-09, 04:11
- One title. I would be extremely happy - MattG, 2024-09-08, 19:37
  - Did you follow them closely all that while post-2016? - Mike (bart), 2024-09-08, 19:51
    - Yeah, pretty much every day - MattG, 2024-09-08, 20:04
- This doesn't really answer your question... - domer.mq, 2024-09-08, 19:36
  - Urban Meyer's first championship - Mike (bart), 2024-09-08, 19:52
    - ND's last championship was closer to Cleopatra... - nedhead, 2024-09-08, 20:32
- Just curious - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2024-09-08, 19:06
  - No, because it became clear Kelly couldn't produce great - Mike (bart), 2024-09-08, 19:16
    - Do you have an example of what the alternative looks like? - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2024-09-08, 19:32
      - A bunch - Mike (bart), 2024-09-08, 19:44
        
        Fair enough. That's what I figured - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2024-09-08, 19:55
        
        Flags fly forever. - MattG, 2024-09-08, 20:12
- Without hesitation. - ReginaldVelJohnson, 2024-09-08, 18:43
  - Would you still stay invested? - Mike (bart), 2024-09-08, 18:57
    - Well, that's changing the hypothetical a bit. - ReginaldVelJohnson, 2024-09-09, 08:32
- I'd rather be good and hold onto my principals - Greg, 2024-09-08, 18:27
  - Assume you get to keep your principles in either case - Mike (bart), 2024-09-08, 18:32
    - OK, but that's not the Michigan scenario - Greg, 2024-09-08, 18:45
- Title. - Ken Fowler, 2024-09-08, 18:19
  - What's long? - Mike (bart), 2024-09-08, 18:34
    - That’s practically every sports team already - HullieAndMikes, 2024-09-08, 18:47
      - Win forever is the goal in my mind - Mike (bart), 2024-09-08, 18:51
        
        The team you’re suggesting is the Vikings - MattG, 2024-09-08, 19:42
        
        You just get driven mad by a different problem - HullieAndMikes, 2024-09-08, 18:56
        
        Sounds engaging though - Mike (bart), 2024-09-08, 19:03
    - Probably - HumanRobot, 2024-09-08, 18:39
      - Baseball is so easy to ignore though - Mike (bart), 2024-09-08, 18:47
        
        We’ve been a middling to garbage program for 25 years - San Pedro, 2024-09-08, 21:00
        
        30 at least - MattG, 2024-09-08, 21:15
        
        Well we aren't Nebraska either. - nedhead, 2024-09-08, 21:30
        
        True. We are still relevant and our coach doesn't do meth. - San Pedro, 2024-09-09, 07:22
        
        30 years from now no one will know the difference - MattG, 2024-09-08, 21:54
        
        Who are we talking about? - Mike (bart), 2024-09-09, 04:23
        
        Nobody will care about the national championships either - nedhead, 2024-09-08, 22:21
        
        Absolutely and without hesitation - MattG, 2024-09-08, 20:44
        
        I'm with you. - oviedoirish, 2024-09-09, 05:29
        
        Yeah but it's someone else's legacy, it's my hobby - Mike (bart), 2024-09-09, 04:12
        
        As a subway, this is my feeling in spades. - Jason93, 2024-09-09, 05:31
        
        Think about the Michigan fans - Mike (bart), 2024-09-09, 05:40
        
        The Michigan fans who are friends of mine... - domer.mq, 2024-09-09, 06:47
        
        Same here - CK08, 2024-09-09, 11:20
        
        Those are normals - Mike (bart), 2024-09-09, 17:08

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