I think its really important to be able to say two things
by ndphilo 
, A prison of my own design, Thursday, December 07, 2017, 12:02 (2325 days ago) @ KGB
What Franken did was wrong, gross, and not funny, whether it was intended as a joke or not. He treated a woman he was working with in a disrespectful and sexually demeaning way backstage while she was asleep. I think we shouldn't be afraid to say it was gross, and wrong.
It is also true that what Roy Moore did was many, many, many times worse. The two cases are in no way equivalent.
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Grantland,
2017-12-07, 09:22
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- At some point should we concern ourselves with due process?
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San Pedro,
2017-12-08, 06:15
- Just wondering who the "we" is here - JRT, 2017-12-08, 09:55
- This one’s original -
Jim (fisherj08),
2017-12-07, 16:00
- Wow it's somehow even grosser than I could've imagined! - Jim (fisherj08), 2017-12-08, 13:14
- GOP making mischief -
hobbs,
2017-12-07, 10:29
- Roy Moore should be in jail, not an effing ballot. -
scriptcomesfirst,
2017-12-07, 14:49
- I agree with most of this -
ndphilo,
2017-12-07, 15:37
- No, because the sudden soul searching is a joke - scriptcomesfirst, 2017-12-07, 19:59
- I agree with most of this -
ndphilo,
2017-12-07, 15:37
- They had more than just accusations against Franken -
Jeff (BGS),
2017-12-07, 11:11
- One thing I never got with the Franken photo -
hobbs,
2017-12-07, 11:24
- That photo was a damned joke. -
KGB,
2017-12-07, 11:45
- I think its really important to be able to say two things -
ndphilo,
2017-12-07, 12:02
- Agree with all of that. -
KGB,
2017-12-07, 12:17
- Agree with all of that.
- I think its really important to be able to say two things -
ndphilo,
2017-12-07, 12:02
- I totally agree. I kept trying to say something like this - Grantland, 2017-12-07, 11:35
- To me it doesn't matter -
ndphilo,
2017-12-07, 11:29
- Exactly right -
Larry,
2017-12-07, 12:33
- Does his background as a sketch comic -
hobbs,
2017-12-07, 11:38
- Its funny to grab the breast of an obviously sleeping woman? -
ndphilo,
2017-12-07, 11:47
- Maybe an attempt at funny? -
PMan,
2017-12-07, 12:49
- I'm surprised that I haven't read anywhere that Tweeden -
BillyGoat,
2017-12-07, 13:20
- Video of Tweeden being groped on her USO tour w/Franken -
hobbs,
2017-12-07, 18:01
- I am one who thinks Franken should step down -
Domer99,
2017-12-08, 07:12
- I agree, but it's the subsequent groping claims -
Jay,
2017-12-08, 08:14
- I agree but I tell you one thing, if I were a woman, I - Grantland, 2017-12-08, 09:50
- I agree, but it's the subsequent groping claims -
Jay,
2017-12-08, 08:14
- Looks like it was in the air. - Grantland, 2017-12-08, 06:13
- I am one who thinks Franken should step down -
Domer99,
2017-12-08, 07:12
- Video of Tweeden being groped on her USO tour w/Franken -
hobbs,
2017-12-07, 18:01
- I'm surprised that I haven't read anywhere that Tweeden -
BillyGoat,
2017-12-07, 13:20
- Maybe an attempt at funny? -
PMan,
2017-12-07, 12:49
- Its funny to grab the breast of an obviously sleeping woman? -
ndphilo,
2017-12-07, 11:47
- Agreed. But it is not illegal. Is it? -
Grantland,
2017-12-07, 11:36
- I think it likely meets a standard for sexual harassment -
ndphilo,
2017-12-07, 11:56
- Probably not even sexual harassment. I am not that type -
Grantland,
2017-12-07, 12:23
- On your first point -
ndphilo,
2017-12-07, 12:35
- Sen. Gillibrand - Grantland, 2017-12-07, 12:49
- On your first point -
ndphilo,
2017-12-07, 12:35
- Probably not even sexual harassment. I am not that type -
Grantland,
2017-12-07, 12:23
- I think it likely meets a standard for sexual harassment -
ndphilo,
2017-12-07, 11:56
- Exactly right
- That photo was a damned joke. -
KGB,
2017-12-07, 11:45
- One thing I never got with the Franken photo -
hobbs,
2017-12-07, 11:24
- On that last thing, that they play to win -
Jack,
2017-12-07, 10:33
- I don't see it. The base controls that party -
hobbs,
2017-12-07, 10:39
- Why not? -
IrishGuard,
2017-12-07, 10:49
- Because McConnell would get primary'd for 2020 -
Captain Robb,
2017-12-07, 11:46
- He's going to get primaried anyway, so I don't see the - Jack, 2017-12-07, 14:01
- Exactly. They have nowhere else to go -
Jack,
2017-12-07, 10:51
- But that's the problem -
ndphilo,
2017-12-07, 11:12
- No you don't. They aren't the majority of -
Jack,
2017-12-07, 14:04
- I'm confused -
ndphilo,
2017-12-07, 14:39
- The disagreement is in Moore's level of support - Jack, 2017-12-07, 15:30
- Jack hasn't reached his posting quota for today yet - Jay, 2017-12-07, 14:41
- They are -
Jim (fisherj08),
2017-12-07, 14:09
- No, 76% among his own party is terrible for a president - Jack, 2017-12-07, 14:19
- I'm confused -
ndphilo,
2017-12-07, 14:39
- No you don't. They aren't the majority of -
Jack,
2017-12-07, 14:04
- But that's the problem -
ndphilo,
2017-12-07, 11:12
- Because McConnell would get primary'd for 2020 -
Captain Robb,
2017-12-07, 11:46
- But they really don't control the party -
Jack,
2017-12-07, 10:46
- There is merit to much of what you say -
hobbs,
2017-12-07, 10:50
- Oh, definitely. I'm pre-ordering mass quantities of popcorn -
Jack,
2017-12-07, 10:54
- Oh, definitely. I'm pre-ordering mass quantities of popcorn
- There is merit to much of what you say -
hobbs,
2017-12-07, 10:50
- Why not? -
IrishGuard,
2017-12-07, 10:49
- I don't see it. The base controls that party -
hobbs,
2017-12-07, 10:39
- Roy Moore should be in jail, not an effing ballot. -
scriptcomesfirst,
2017-12-07, 14:49
- Per my unofficial count... -
Greg,
2017-12-07, 09:32
- They can't refuse to seat him but they can expel him - Jack, 2017-12-07, 10:03
- As Rob Portman said, - Jim (fisherj08), 2017-12-07, 09:40
- Why would they? -
Pat (Moco),
2017-12-07, 09:39
- Franken will be replaced by a Democrat. -
Bill,
2017-12-07, 09:49
- I'm talking instantaneously. -
Pat (Moco),
2017-12-07, 10:08
- The replacement can be appointed and sworn in immediately -
Jack,
2017-12-07, 10:25
- Fair enough. -
Pat (Moco),
2017-12-07, 10:47
- Franken even referred to her in his speech - Jack, 2017-12-07, 10:49
- Fair enough. -
Pat (Moco),
2017-12-07, 10:47
- Franken's resignation won't take effect until January - Captain Robb, 2017-12-07, 10:19
- The replacement can be appointed and sworn in immediately -
Jack,
2017-12-07, 10:25
- I'm talking instantaneously. -
Pat (Moco),
2017-12-07, 10:08
- Franken will be replaced by a Democrat.
- The GOP senate will accept Moore just fine. -
Bill,
2017-12-07, 09:39
- At some point should we concern ourselves with due process?