But ND's relative whiteness

by DEM, Chicago, Tuesday, December 05, 2017, 14:29 @ Jay

comes at the expense of an underrepresented asian population.

While the graphs showing that ND has one of the proportionally highest white student populations among top colleges, it has one of the smallest asian populations. When you add the two together you're generally going to get about 70/75% of the student body. Granted this is for the Ivies and other top national universities. Also for the record....Alabama is 80% whitea s opposed to 73% for ND.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/08/24/us/affirmative-action.html

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Some things to think about with this bowl game - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 07:19
- Anybody planning to travel for this? - Mike (Max), 2017-12-05, 05:55
  - I can help with some attractions - oviedoirish, 2017-12-05, 07:09
    - I am not particularly excited about the game - Mike (Max), 2017-12-05, 15:17
- Pulling a couple of consensus points from this thread: - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 09:52
  - What is the standard course load for an ND student - oviedoirish, 2017-12-04, 13:15
    - looking it up - Jay, 2017-12-05, 10:03
      - I always thought the standard was something like: - Grantland, 2017-12-05, 15:04
    - 15ish is normal for most ND students. - PAK, 2017-12-04, 14:34
      - I thought it was normal for in season football players - Grantland, 2017-12-04, 15:40
      - carrying 12 is the NCAA requirement - Jay, 2017-12-04, 14:58
    - Depends on what they are doing - DEM, 2017-12-04, 14:03
      - I doubt I'd fit in seamlessly now either, - oviedoirish, 2017-12-04, 20:59
  - Agree on all of those.* - oviedoirish, 2017-12-04, 13:00
  - other aspects where ND is at a competitive disadvantage - Jay, 2017-12-04, 10:34
    - Friendly amendment - JD in Portland, 2017-12-04, 12:47
      - just to be clear about my inclusion of "South Bend" - Jay, 2017-12-05, 09:09
        But ND's relative whiteness - DEM, 2017-12-05, 14:29
      - Isolated campus? - mkmcfrlnd, 2017-12-04, 16:03
        Never been there; too dangerous* - JD in Portland, 2017-12-04, 22:21
        
        Town is isolated. But college is the center of town. - Greg, 2017-12-04, 17:39
        "Town" is all there is - mkmcfrlnd, 2017-12-05, 06:07
        I think the notion that ND is in a worse spot - KGB, 2017-12-05, 08:57
        I think we have a lot of aspects that favor us over... - Greg, 2017-12-05, 09:36
        
        we have some powerful competitive advantages too - Jay, 2017-12-05, 09:11
    - a couple more that come to mind, Alabama-style - Jay, 2017-12-04, 10:54
      - Back in the day, I believe - oviedoirish, 2017-12-04, 13:10
    - How did each one of those - Grantland, 2017-12-04, 10:41
      - changes - Jay, 2017-12-04, 10:59
        Have general demographics changed as well? - Grantland, 2017-12-04, 11:07
        since the ND glory days, absolutely - Jay, 2017-12-04, 11:11
        Interesting on the "Post War" title - Jack, 2017-12-04, 12:37
        Mars Cheese Castle and Summerfest* - Albie, 2017-12-04, 12:42
        I think you nailed it. And don't forget supper clubs - Jack, 2017-12-04, 12:45
        
        ironically, we probably started the escalation of the TV$$$* - Grantland, 2017-12-04, 11:02
      - The emergence of Stanford - Jim (fisherj08), 2017-12-04, 10:57
        Which is why we really need to start beating them* - BPH, 2017-12-04, 11:19
    - I would dispute 1, 4, 10 and 12 - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 10:39
      - bag men - Jay, 2017-12-04, 10:47
      - Your point on talent in Indiana is incorrect. - Jim (fisherj08), 2017-12-04, 10:43
        it punches above it's weight and is improving - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 10:55
        Take a look at the top 247 recruits here - Jim (fisherj08), 2017-12-04, 10:58
        I'm not saying we have it as easy as Georgia or Florida - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 11:02
        We tried to get the best recruit in Indiana - Jim (fisherj08), 2017-12-04, 11:04
        
        It still probably only gets us 2-3 guys a year - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2017-12-04, 11:03
        2-3 multi-year starters a year is a great base - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 11:09
        
        The better argument for recruiting - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2017-12-04, 10:46
      - the region is absolutely a competitive disadvantage - Jay, 2017-12-04, 10:42
        for what? for talent? for coaching?* - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 10:43
        recruits - Jay, 2017-12-04, 10:44
        Even with our recruiting hits in the south and west - KGB, 2017-12-04, 11:29
        travel is an underrated issue too - Jay, 2017-12-04, 11:45
        Miami and Palo Alto in November. - Grantland, 2017-12-04, 12:21
        
        This is a few years old - CW (Rakes), 2017-12-04, 10:51
    - Lack of a cooling glove - Greg, 2017-12-04, 10:39
    - * Catholic/Non-Diverse student body* - Grantland, 2017-12-04, 10:35
  - Do you all think weather could be a contributing factor? - Grantland, 2017-12-04, 10:25
    - To steal from some HR theory - Brendan, 2017-12-04, 10:52
  - I'd also like to see ND "recruit" grad transfers - Jeff (BGS), 2017-12-04, 10:22
    - Absolutely* - BPH, 2017-12-04, 10:32
    - Cody Riggs and Cam Smith seemed recruited - HullieAndMikes, 2017-12-04, 10:24
  - I very much support a lighter course load in the fall* - Jay, 2017-12-04, 10:08
  - I do think easing the 4-year graduation requirement - Bill, 2017-12-04, 10:03
    - To my knowledge, they do not.* - Slainte Joe, 2017-12-04, 10:32
- This is the bowl game we earned - CK08, 2017-12-04, 08:00
  - Total agreement with this.* - Greg, 2017-12-04, 08:19
- BK made mention of mental fatigue in his presser yesterday - Jay, 2017-12-04, 07:51
  - Dabo and Urban are masters - Grantland, 2017-12-04, 08:33
    - Well, Urban except for last year maybe - Brendan, 2017-12-04, 08:59
      - Think Dabo is clearly #3 right now - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2017-12-04, 09:52
        Agreed* - Brendan, 2017-12-04, 10:55
    - it's easier when you don't have to worry about class
      * - Jay, 2017-12-04, 08:49
      Rece Davis had a funny comment on Saturday - Jack, 2017-12-04, 09:05
      
      Don't buy this concept - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 08:53
      Isn't the most likely explanation... - BPH, 2017-12-04, 09:49
      Almost certainly for any given year, yes - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 09:58
      
      responding to everyone - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 09:33
      On your analysis of November "good"/"bad"' years - KGB, 2017-12-04, 09:50
      I am happy to hand off the research at this point - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 09:55
      
      As you said in Point 2 - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2017-12-04, 09:47
      
      Navy also gets to play bad teams late in the season - Jim (fisherj08), 2017-12-04, 09:34
      as a wise man once said - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 09:43
      
      Mike, go back and watch the NC State game - Greg, 2017-12-04, 09:29
      
      I know for a fact opposing coaches recruit on this concept.* - domer.mq, 2017-12-04, 09:20
      
      Navy lost 5 of their last 6 games this year* - HullieAndMikes, 2017-12-04, 09:17
      
      It's impossible to fail at Stanford and Northwestern is bad* - Jim (fisherj08), 2017-12-04, 09:15
      
      I don't know if Stanford players worry about class. - KGB, 2017-12-04, 09:15
      They can drop a class up to the day before the final - Brendan, 2017-12-04, 09:31
      There's a parallel there to kids at the Naval Academy, too* - Jim (fisherj08), 2017-12-04, 09:33
      
      Stanford has the reverse of our problem - HullieAndMikes, 2017-12-04, 09:28
      they had a fireable loss early *this* season* - Jay, 2017-12-04, 09:30
      fireable where? - BPH, 2017-12-04, 09:36
      oh I like what SDSU is doing - Jay, 2017-12-04, 09:59
      
      So was Tulsa in 2010 but people got plenty mad about that* - Jim (fisherj08), 2017-12-04, 09:37
      That's why I asked the question* - BPH, 2017-12-04, 09:42
      
      Clemson and Ohio State were the examples - Jay, 2017-12-04, 08:58
      Clemson's graduation rates, at least, are pretty strong. - Kevin, 2017-12-04, 09:23
      so are Alabama's, now, after the light was shone on them - Jay, 2017-12-04, 09:24
      Spot-checking their majors - Kevin, 2017-12-04, 10:13
      What's the ND "football major?" - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2017-12-04, 10:16
      Seems like a lot were Psychology when I was there.* - Grantland, 2017-12-04, 10:38
      
      Mack is FTT - Jay, 2017-12-04, 10:37
      I'm guessing its sociology - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2017-12-04, 10:55
      
      I was wondering the same. - Kevin, 2017-12-04, 10:33
      I don't think you can count business majors - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2017-12-04, 10:52
      As Norm McDonald would say, it's a double-edged sword - Kevin, 2017-12-04, 10:56
      
      The best thing about a true liberal arts college like ND - HCE, 2017-12-04, 10:32
      
      Right, graduation rate probably isn't a great metric - Jim (fisherj08), 2017-12-04, 09:28
      
      sorry, I misunderstood the point - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 09:05
  - I think the "emotionally drained" part is right on the money - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 08:18
    - But why? - Slainte Joe, 2017-12-04, 08:33
      - 11 USC/14 NCST/WAKE/7 MIA/NAVY/21 STAN* - Jay, 2017-12-04, 08:47
        Then I would characterize it as physical exhaustion. - Slainte Joe, 2017-12-04, 10:20
        
        We need to drop Navy.* - domer.mq, 2017-12-04, 09:02
        It would be a great start to our scheduling issues* - BPH, 2017-12-04, 09:33
        I do think there's a scheduling aspect to this - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 09:45
      - my best guess would be because - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 08:37
        I didn't see any evidence of over-confidence this year* - Jay, 2017-12-04, 08:50
        not over-confidence so much as a bad mix of - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 08:57
        Here, let me just drag this out for you - KGB, 2017-12-04, 09:18
        
        come on Mike - Jay, 2017-12-04, 09:03
        you call it what you want - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 09:21
        1. I think you're amplifying what is a small sample size - Jay, 2017-12-04, 09:55
        The easier conclusion - Kevin, 2017-12-04, 10:16
        "We need more points!" — Mrs. Jay* - Slainte Joe, 2017-12-04, 10:22
        lol* - Jay, 2017-12-04, 10:25
        
        it's a message board! - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 10:04
        good discussion - Jay, 2017-12-04, 10:06
        We don't do audits until the Spring, right? - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 10:09
        
        I think there were unique factors this year... - BillyGoat, 2017-12-04, 08:48
        And we had to travel to opposite ends of the country in NOV* - Grantland, 2017-12-04, 10:50
        
        The foot on the gas thing hurts when your depth isn't great - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2017-12-04, 10:00
        
        I think both things can be true - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 09:01
    - also, to this point - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 08:24
- Was LSU ranked before the Music City Bowl? I can't remember
  *
  - HullieAndMikes, 2017-12-04, 07:49
  - Per Wikipedia: 22 in AP, 23 in Coaches, 23 in CFP* - HCE, 2017-12-04, 08:53
- Good post. - Buffalo, 2017-12-04, 07:45
  - Agreed. - Bill, 2017-12-04, 08:40
    - 9-4 next season would be pretty good - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 08:44
      - I think it would suck and be time to end the experiment.* - Bill, 2017-12-04, 08:46
        I initially took you to mean - Jay, 2017-12-04, 09:07
        
        Tough, but fair. - Buffalo, 2017-12-04, 08:53
        
        I mean, it was time to end the experiment a year ago - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 08:50
        The time to end the experiment was December 2009 - Greg, 2017-12-04, 09:25
        don't Brinks truck me, bro - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 09:38
        I know, but... (not too long) - Greg, 2017-12-04, 09:48
        no sweat, to be clear: I don't care much about championships - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 10:07
  - it's secretly a huge game - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 08:21
  - It will influence me quite a bit, - oviedoirish, 2017-12-04, 08:02
    - Same here. - Albie, 2017-12-04, 12:20
      - I really bought into this team until the 2nd half of Wake. - Bryan (IrishCavan), 2017-12-04, 12:23
        Yep, fully expecting a NC State Gator Bowl-like performance.* - Albie, 2017-12-04, 13:28
    - Same here. - professor, 2017-12-04, 08:18
  - I think we have a chance to finish in the top 10 with a win - CK08, 2017-12-04, 07:58
    - Agree. I hope that is the outcome!* - Buffalo, 2017-12-04, 07:59
- I have a couple of questions... - Slainte Joe, 2017-12-04, 07:37
  - Some numbers and a unifying theory - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 08:14
    - I have a hard time with your theory. - Bill, 2017-12-04, 09:40
    - Please explain how this only impacts ND. - KGB, 2017-12-04, 09:20
      - the working theory - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 09:29
    - respectfully, I think that's bunk - Jay, 2017-12-04, 08:53
      - Agreed. - San Pedro, 2017-12-04, 09:25
        these things aren't mutually exclusive - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 09:40
      - We have 24 years of strong top-line evidence - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 08:55
    - I love this theory. - Buffalo, 2017-12-04, 08:26
      - yeah it's a sticky situation - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 08:35
  - Certainly some. - Buffalo, 2017-12-04, 07:59
  - Great point. I had similar issues in November. - Albie, 2017-12-04, 07:49
    - I agree. - oviedoirish, 2017-12-04, 08:10
      - We don't collapse in years where we lose games early - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 08:23

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But ND's relative whiteness