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I'm not saying we have it as easy as Georgia or Florida

by Mike (bart), Monday, December 04, 2017, 10:01 (2327 days ago) @ Jim (fisherj08)

I'm just saying that we actually have a nice building block there if we could nail it down. We could certainly do as well with in state talent as Wisconsin does, if not better. It'd be a great start, and I think we have done job, but should be a focus of improvement, I think

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Some things to think about with this bowl game - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 06:18
- Anybody planning to travel for this? - Mike (Max), 2017-12-05, 04:54
  - I can help with some attractions - oviedoirish, 2017-12-05, 06:08
    - I am not particularly excited about the game - Mike (Max), 2017-12-05, 14:16
- Pulling a couple of consensus points from this thread: - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 08:51
  - What is the standard course load for an ND student - oviedoirish, 2017-12-04, 12:14
    - looking it up - Jay, 2017-12-05, 09:02
      - I always thought the standard was something like: - Grantland, 2017-12-05, 14:03
    - 15ish is normal for most ND students. - PAK, 2017-12-04, 13:33
      - I thought it was normal for in season football players - Grantland, 2017-12-04, 14:39
      - carrying 12 is the NCAA requirement - Jay, 2017-12-04, 13:57
    - Depends on what they are doing - DEM, 2017-12-04, 13:02
      - I doubt I'd fit in seamlessly now either, - oviedoirish, 2017-12-04, 19:58
  - Agree on all of those. - oviedoirish, 2017-12-04, 11:59
  - other aspects where ND is at a competitive disadvantage - Jay, 2017-12-04, 09:33
    - Friendly amendment - JD in Portland, 2017-12-04, 11:46
      - just to be clear about my inclusion of "South Bend" - Jay, 2017-12-05, 08:08
        
        But ND's relative whiteness - DEM, 2017-12-05, 13:28
      - Isolated campus? - mkmcfrlnd, 2017-12-04, 15:02
        
        Never been there; too dangerous - JD in Portland, 2017-12-04, 21:20
        
        Town is isolated. But college is the center of town. - Greg, 2017-12-04, 16:38
        
        "Town" is all there is - mkmcfrlnd, 2017-12-05, 05:06
        
        I think the notion that ND is in a worse spot - KGB, 2017-12-05, 07:56
        
        I think we have a lot of aspects that favor us over... - Greg, 2017-12-05, 08:35
        
        we have some powerful competitive advantages too - Jay, 2017-12-05, 08:10
    - a couple more that come to mind, Alabama-style - Jay, 2017-12-04, 09:53
      - Back in the day, I believe - oviedoirish, 2017-12-04, 12:09
    - How did each one of those - Grantland, 2017-12-04, 09:40
      - changes - Jay, 2017-12-04, 09:58
        
        Have general demographics changed as well? - Grantland, 2017-12-04, 10:06
        
        since the ND glory days, absolutely - Jay, 2017-12-04, 10:10
        
        Interesting on the "Post War" title - Jack, 2017-12-04, 11:36
        
        Mars Cheese Castle and Summerfest - Albie, 2017-12-04, 11:41
        
        I think you nailed it. And don't forget supper clubs - Jack, 2017-12-04, 11:44
        
        ironically, we probably started the escalation of the TV$$$ - Grantland, 2017-12-04, 10:01
      - The emergence of Stanford - Jim (fisherj08), 2017-12-04, 09:56
        
        Which is why we really need to start beating them - BPH, 2017-12-04, 10:18
    - I would dispute 1, 4, 10 and 12 - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 09:38
      - bag men - Jay, 2017-12-04, 09:46
      - Your point on talent in Indiana is incorrect. - Jim (fisherj08), 2017-12-04, 09:42
        
        it punches above it's weight and is improving - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 09:54
        
        Take a look at the top 247 recruits here - Jim (fisherj08), 2017-12-04, 09:57
        
        I'm not saying we have it as easy as Georgia or Florida - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 10:01
        
        We tried to get the best recruit in Indiana - Jim (fisherj08), 2017-12-04, 10:03
        
        It still probably only gets us 2-3 guys a year - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2017-12-04, 10:02
        
        2-3 multi-year starters a year is a great base - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 10:08
        
        The better argument for recruiting - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2017-12-04, 09:45
      - the region is absolutely a competitive disadvantage - Jay, 2017-12-04, 09:41
        
        for what? for talent? for coaching? - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 09:42
        
        recruits - Jay, 2017-12-04, 09:43
        
        Even with our recruiting hits in the south and west - KGB, 2017-12-04, 10:28
        
        travel is an underrated issue too - Jay, 2017-12-04, 10:44
        
        Miami and Palo Alto in November. - Grantland, 2017-12-04, 11:20
        
        This is a few years old - CW (Rakes), 2017-12-04, 09:50
    - Lack of a cooling glove - Greg, 2017-12-04, 09:38
    - * Catholic/Non-Diverse student body - Grantland, 2017-12-04, 09:34
  - Do you all think weather could be a contributing factor? - Grantland, 2017-12-04, 09:24
    - To steal from some HR theory - Brendan, 2017-12-04, 09:51
  - I'd also like to see ND "recruit" grad transfers - Jeff (BGS), 2017-12-04, 09:21
    - Absolutely - BPH, 2017-12-04, 09:31
    - Cody Riggs and Cam Smith seemed recruited - HullieAndMikes, 2017-12-04, 09:23
  - I very much support a lighter course load in the fall - Jay, 2017-12-04, 09:07
  - I do think easing the 4-year graduation requirement - Bill, 2017-12-04, 09:02
    - To my knowledge, they do not. - Slainte Joe, 2017-12-04, 09:31
- This is the bowl game we earned - CK08, 2017-12-04, 06:59
  - Total agreement with this. - Greg, 2017-12-04, 07:18
- BK made mention of mental fatigue in his presser yesterday - Jay, 2017-12-04, 06:50
  - Dabo and Urban are masters - Grantland, 2017-12-04, 07:32
    - Well, Urban except for last year maybe - Brendan, 2017-12-04, 07:58
      - Think Dabo is clearly #3 right now - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2017-12-04, 08:51
        
        Agreed - Brendan, 2017-12-04, 09:54
    - it's easier when you don't have to worry about class - Jay, 2017-12-04, 07:48
      - Rece Davis had a funny comment on Saturday - Jack, 2017-12-04, 08:04
      - Don't buy this concept - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 07:52
        
        Isn't the most likely explanation... - BPH, 2017-12-04, 08:48
        
        Almost certainly for any given year, yes - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 08:57
        
        responding to everyone - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 08:32
        
        On your analysis of November "good"/"bad"' years - KGB, 2017-12-04, 08:49
        
        I am happy to hand off the research at this point - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 08:54
        
        As you said in Point 2 - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2017-12-04, 08:46
        
        Navy also gets to play bad teams late in the season - Jim (fisherj08), 2017-12-04, 08:33
        
        as a wise man once said - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 08:42
        
        Mike, go back and watch the NC State game - Greg, 2017-12-04, 08:28
        
        I know for a fact opposing coaches recruit on this concept. - domer.mq, 2017-12-04, 08:19
        
        Navy lost 5 of their last 6 games this year - HullieAndMikes, 2017-12-04, 08:16
        
        It's impossible to fail at Stanford and Northwestern is bad - Jim (fisherj08), 2017-12-04, 08:14
        
        I don't know if Stanford players worry about class. - KGB, 2017-12-04, 08:14
        
        They can drop a class up to the day before the final - Brendan, 2017-12-04, 08:30
        
        There's a parallel there to kids at the Naval Academy, too - Jim (fisherj08), 2017-12-04, 08:32
        
        Stanford has the reverse of our problem - HullieAndMikes, 2017-12-04, 08:27
        
        they had a fireable loss early *this* season - Jay, 2017-12-04, 08:29
        
        fireable where? - BPH, 2017-12-04, 08:35
        
        oh I like what SDSU is doing - Jay, 2017-12-04, 08:58
        
        So was Tulsa in 2010 but people got plenty mad about that - Jim (fisherj08), 2017-12-04, 08:36
        
        That's why I asked the question - BPH, 2017-12-04, 08:41
        
        Clemson and Ohio State were the examples - Jay, 2017-12-04, 07:57
        
        Clemson's graduation rates, at least, are pretty strong. - Kevin, 2017-12-04, 08:22
        
        so are Alabama's, now, after the light was shone on them - Jay, 2017-12-04, 08:23
        
        Spot-checking their majors - Kevin, 2017-12-04, 09:12
        
        What's the ND "football major?" - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2017-12-04, 09:15
        
        Seems like a lot were Psychology when I was there. - Grantland, 2017-12-04, 09:37
        
        Mack is FTT - Jay, 2017-12-04, 09:36
        
        I'm guessing its sociology - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2017-12-04, 09:54
        
        I was wondering the same. - Kevin, 2017-12-04, 09:32
        
        I don't think you can count business majors - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2017-12-04, 09:51
        
        As Norm McDonald would say, it's a double-edged sword - Kevin, 2017-12-04, 09:55
        
        The best thing about a true liberal arts college like ND - HCE, 2017-12-04, 09:31
        
        Right, graduation rate probably isn't a great metric - Jim (fisherj08), 2017-12-04, 08:27
        
        sorry, I misunderstood the point - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 08:04
  - I think the "emotionally drained" part is right on the money - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 07:17
    - But why? - Slainte Joe, 2017-12-04, 07:32
      - 11 USC/14 NCST/WAKE/7 MIA/NAVY/21 STAN - Jay, 2017-12-04, 07:46
        
        Then I would characterize it as physical exhaustion. - Slainte Joe, 2017-12-04, 09:19
        
        We need to drop Navy. - domer.mq, 2017-12-04, 08:01
        
        It would be a great start to our scheduling issues - BPH, 2017-12-04, 08:32
        
        I do think there's a scheduling aspect to this - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 08:44
      - my best guess would be because - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 07:36
        
        I didn't see any evidence of over-confidence this year - Jay, 2017-12-04, 07:49
        
        not over-confidence so much as a bad mix of - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 07:56
        
        Here, let me just drag this out for you - KGB, 2017-12-04, 08:17
        
        come on Mike - Jay, 2017-12-04, 08:02
        
        you call it what you want - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 08:20
        
        1. I think you're amplifying what is a small sample size - Jay, 2017-12-04, 08:54
        
        The easier conclusion - Kevin, 2017-12-04, 09:15
        
        "We need more points!" — Mrs. Jay - Slainte Joe, 2017-12-04, 09:21
        
        lol - Jay, 2017-12-04, 09:24
        
        it's a message board! - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 09:03
        
        good discussion - Jay, 2017-12-04, 09:05
        
        We don't do audits until the Spring, right? - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 09:08
        
        I think there were unique factors this year... - BillyGoat, 2017-12-04, 07:47
        
        And we had to travel to opposite ends of the country in NOV - Grantland, 2017-12-04, 09:49
        
        The foot on the gas thing hurts when your depth isn't great - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2017-12-04, 08:59
        
        I think both things can be true - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 08:00
    - also, to this point - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 07:23
- Was LSU ranked before the Music City Bowl? I can't remember - HullieAndMikes, 2017-12-04, 06:48
  - Per Wikipedia: 22 in AP, 23 in Coaches, 23 in CFP - HCE, 2017-12-04, 07:52
- Good post. - Buffalo, 2017-12-04, 06:44
  - Agreed. - Bill, 2017-12-04, 07:39
    - 9-4 next season would be pretty good - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 07:43
      - I think it would suck and be time to end the experiment. - Bill, 2017-12-04, 07:45
        
        I initially took you to mean - Jay, 2017-12-04, 08:06
        
        Tough, but fair. - Buffalo, 2017-12-04, 07:52
        
        I mean, it was time to end the experiment a year ago - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 07:49
        
        The time to end the experiment was December 2009 - Greg, 2017-12-04, 08:24
        
        don't Brinks truck me, bro - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 08:37
        
        I know, but... (not too long) - Greg, 2017-12-04, 08:47
        
        no sweat, to be clear: I don't care much about championships - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 09:06
  - it's secretly a huge game - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 07:20
  - It will influence me quite a bit, - oviedoirish, 2017-12-04, 07:01
    - Same here. - Albie, 2017-12-04, 11:19
      - I really bought into this team until the 2nd half of Wake. - Bryan (IrishCavan), 2017-12-04, 11:22
        
        Yep, fully expecting a NC State Gator Bowl-like performance. - Albie, 2017-12-04, 12:27
    - Same here. - professor, 2017-12-04, 07:17
  - I think we have a chance to finish in the top 10 with a win - CK08, 2017-12-04, 06:57
    - Agree. I hope that is the outcome! - Buffalo, 2017-12-04, 06:58
- I have a couple of questions... - Slainte Joe, 2017-12-04, 06:36
  - Some numbers and a unifying theory - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 07:13
    - I have a hard time with your theory. - Bill, 2017-12-04, 08:39
    - Please explain how this only impacts ND. - KGB, 2017-12-04, 08:19
      - the working theory - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 08:28
    - respectfully, I think that's bunk - Jay, 2017-12-04, 07:52
      - Agreed. - San Pedro, 2017-12-04, 08:24
        
        these things aren't mutually exclusive - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 08:39
      - We have 24 years of strong top-line evidence - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 07:54
    - I love this theory. - Buffalo, 2017-12-04, 07:25
      - yeah it's a sticky situation - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 07:34
  - Certainly some. - Buffalo, 2017-12-04, 06:58
  - Great point. I had similar issues in November. - Albie, 2017-12-04, 06:48
    - I agree. - oviedoirish, 2017-12-04, 07:09
      - We don't collapse in years where we lose games early - Mike (bart), 2017-12-04, 07:22

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