Some good points there.
I agree that they're campaigning from the bed they've slept in. In terms of 'accountability', they're totally responsible for the position they find themselves. They can't separate their message from the messenger.
They also undermine their credibility by going after Swarbrick. He's just about universally respected as one of the best ADs in the country. And that's earned respect. Regardless of whether Swarbrick is guilty in all of this, going after him reduces the possible success of their goal to get Kelly fired.
Complete thread:
- I suspect this one will be taken a bit more seriously. -
Mobster,
2016-12-11, 07:24
- I like the new ad. Any of you who don't - OGerry, 2016-12-11, 14:40
- Why? - domer.mq, 2016-12-11, 10:09
- is anybody here in on the planning of these things? -
Jay,
2016-12-11, 10:05
- I have to confess - Jeff (BGS), 2016-12-11, 17:06
- Also, and I hate to give these people advice -
Jim (fisherj08),
2016-12-11, 09:13
- To me, nothing says professionalism like a Gmail email - Pat (Moco), 2016-12-11, 09:23
- It won't be taken seriously -
Eric M,
2016-12-11, 08:38
- Some good points there. - Bill, 2016-12-11, 11:55
- Do we know where the silent majority really is at? -
HumanRobot,
2016-12-11, 09:54
- That's a good question -
Eric M,
2016-12-11, 18:00
- I'll register my silent majority -
HumanRobot,
2016-12-12, 02:28
- I sympathize with that - Eric M, 2016-12-12, 05:47
- I'll register my silent majority -
HumanRobot,
2016-12-12, 02:28
- Worth noting that the Ty counter protests - Jim (fisherj08), 2016-12-11, 10:59
- That's a good question -
Eric M,
2016-12-11, 18:00
- Edit: sorry, phone doing weird things -
Mike (bart),
2016-12-11, 08:46
- I know we arent supposed to crosspost but - Mike (bart), 2016-12-11, 08:48
- The administration already dismisses the ND internet -
Jim (fisherj08),
2016-12-11, 08:42
- What relationship? - Jim (OFD), 2016-12-11, 12:18
- Only by those who "care" -
NDTerp,
2016-12-11, 08:10
- A+ for the Carlin reference. -
Savage,
2016-12-11, 08:12
- .....headcheese - NDTerp, 2016-12-11, 08:26
- A+ for the Carlin reference. -
Savage,
2016-12-11, 08:12
- What's the endgame here? -
Jim (fisherj08),
2016-12-11, 08:02
- I don't disagree that it won't change anything. -
tex29,
2016-12-11, 09:25
- I don't think the comparison is valid -
Jim (fisherj08),
2016-12-11, 09:34
- I'm not sure what you mean. These alumni are attempting to -
tex29,
2016-12-11, 09:46
- You've hit on the big disconnect -
Greg,
2016-12-11, 14:13
- But there's a counterexample. -
Ken Fowler,
2016-12-11, 19:02
- Thanks Ken (and Jay). Good thoughts. - Greg, 2016-12-12, 08:32
- It's not so 1 sided- You ignore Stanford's advantages -
JD in Portland,
2016-12-11, 21:20
- Except Notre Dame routinely has a better ranked - Rob (Rakes of Mallow), 2016-12-12, 05:20
- was there a Stanford team that would have beaten Bama? -
Jay,
2016-12-11, 19:54
- That's a clever way to frame the conversation -
Ken Fowler,
2016-12-11, 20:28
- what's Stanford's "signature win" over the last five years? -
Jay,
2016-12-11, 20:33
- Jay, you're shifting my goalposts -
Ken Fowler,
2016-12-11, 20:36
- sorry -
Jay,
2016-12-12, 07:55
- Posting from phone, so this is short - Ken Fowler, 2016-12-12, 11:00
- sorry -
Jay,
2016-12-12, 07:55
- Jay, you're shifting my goalposts -
Ken Fowler,
2016-12-11, 20:36
- what's Stanford's "signature win" over the last five years? -
Jay,
2016-12-11, 20:33
- follow up -
Jay,
2016-12-11, 20:03
- I disagree with what has "defined" ND's failures -
Ken Fowler,
2016-12-11, 20:32
- I'm not trying to build up ND in this line of thinking - Jay, 2016-12-11, 20:35
- I disagree with what has "defined" ND's failures -
Ken Fowler,
2016-12-11, 20:32
- That's a clever way to frame the conversation -
Ken Fowler,
2016-12-11, 20:28
- Stanford is a cakewalk once you get in - Spesh, 2016-12-11, 19:07
- They reject your premise re: the changing times. -
San Pedro,
2016-12-11, 17:37
- I respectfully largely reject it. I don't care -
Buck Mulligan,
2016-12-11, 18:41
- an elite coach alkne would make a huge difference - San Pedro, 2016-12-11, 20:03
- A viable third-party position? Fullbacks and Field Turf? - Jason93, 2016-12-11, 18:56
- I respectfully largely reject it. I don't care -
Buck Mulligan,
2016-12-11, 18:41
- Best post on this subject that I've seen - CK08, 2016-12-11, 14:35
- But there's a counterexample. -
Ken Fowler,
2016-12-11, 19:02
- Absolutely perfect post. Well done. - Savage, 2016-12-11, 13:29
- Furthermore, - Jim (fisherj08), 2016-12-11, 09:52
- Excellent post. - ndroman21, 2016-12-11, 09:52
- It's not really debatable -
Jim (fisherj08),
2016-12-11, 09:51
- Neither is likely to do anything at all. Do you seriously -
tex29,
2016-12-11, 10:00
- I think a boycott campaign would be more effective -
Jay,
2016-12-11, 10:04
- The University wouldn't give a fuck. -
Savage,
2016-12-11, 13:41
- Sav, serious question - CW (Rakes), 2016-12-12, 06:45
- I don't think it would work. -
Pat (Moco),
2016-12-11, 10:56
- That is likely true - Jeff (BGS), 2016-12-11, 17:14
- I agree. But that doesn't mean other forms of protest are - tex29, 2016-12-11, 10:22
- Worth noting something like todays ad - Mike (bart), 2016-12-11, 10:16
- The University wouldn't give a fuck. -
Savage,
2016-12-11, 13:41
- Yes, I do. -
Jim (fisherj08),
2016-12-11, 10:03
- Significant resistance? - tex29, 2016-12-11, 10:20
- I think a boycott campaign would be more effective -
Jay,
2016-12-11, 10:04
- Neither is likely to do anything at all. Do you seriously -
tex29,
2016-12-11, 10:00
- You've hit on the big disconnect -
Greg,
2016-12-11, 14:13
- I'm not sure what you mean. These alumni are attempting to -
tex29,
2016-12-11, 09:46
- I don't think the comparison is valid -
Jim (fisherj08),
2016-12-11, 09:34
- Assuming he doesn't get fired I think - Mike (bart), 2016-12-11, 08:38
- A bloodless coup...nothing but smotherings. -
Mobster,
2016-12-11, 08:28
- They wanna find out if Swarbrick weighs as much as a duck -
NDTerp,
2016-12-11, 08:29
- Funny! - oviedoirish, 2016-12-11, 08:32
- They wanna find out if Swarbrick weighs as much as a duck -
NDTerp,
2016-12-11, 08:29
- Barstool and Deadspin blog posts on it - NDTerp, 2016-12-11, 08:20
- I don't disagree that it won't change anything. -
tex29,
2016-12-11, 09:25
- it'll be interesting to see - Jay, 2016-12-11, 08:01
- Pretty well done -
Mike (bart),
2016-12-11, 07:51
- Why do you think that? -
Jim (fisherj08),
2016-12-11, 08:06
- multiple hashtags - NDTerp, 2016-12-11, 08:16
- It pretty much responds to all the criticisms of the first a -
Mike (bart),
2016-12-11, 08:16
- I agree. - oviedoirish, 2016-12-11, 08:31
- They bury their message in the bottom right of the ad -
NDTerp,
2016-12-11, 08:20
- Putting the ask right at the end seems pretty normal -
Mike (bart),
2016-12-11, 08:26
- Not realizing that they couldn't get "fightforexcellence" -
Jim (fisherj08),
2016-12-11, 08:28
- Fight4excellence would work, no? Seems prefetable - JRT, 2016-12-11, 09:07
- Ha, I didnt even notice that. That's hilarious -
Mike (bart),
2016-12-11, 08:40
- It makes it look half-assed - Pat (Moco), 2016-12-11, 10:51
- Not realizing that they couldn't get "fightforexcellence" -
Jim (fisherj08),
2016-12-11, 08:28
- Putting the ask right at the end seems pretty normal -
Mike (bart),
2016-12-11, 08:26
- Why do you think that? -
Jim (fisherj08),
2016-12-11, 08:06
- do you have a link to something? -
Jay,
2016-12-11, 07:39
- Within. -
Mobster,
2016-12-11, 07:44
- How about we embed the ad instead of giving them pageclicks - NDTerp, 2016-12-11, 08:15
- Here you go -
Bill,
2016-12-11, 07:42
- Still too opaque in intention. -
PMan,
2016-12-11, 08:16
- This is a no-win -
Savage,
2016-12-11, 08:36
- No, its only about the 4-8 -
KelleyCook,
2016-12-11, 14:28
- Thanks for telling me what I think and what I care about. -
Savage,
2016-12-11, 14:45
- You took this as a personal attack? - KelleyCook, 2016-12-12, 08:30
- Thanks for telling me what I think and what I care about. -
Savage,
2016-12-11, 14:45
- I was just talking about the visuals of the ad. - PMan, 2016-12-11, 08:54
- No, its only about the 4-8 -
KelleyCook,
2016-12-11, 14:28
- This is a no-win -
Savage,
2016-12-11, 08:36
- What "football traditions" are they talking about? -
Jim (fisherj08),
2016-12-11, 08:00
- Winning -
Mobster,
2016-12-11, 08:12
- That's not a tradition -
NDTerp,
2016-12-11, 08:17
- Tongue was in cheek. Things are tense here. -
Mobster,
2016-12-11, 08:24
- Mine was too. - NDTerp, 2016-12-11, 08:25
- What we really need to do to embrace tradition -
Jim (fisherj08),
2016-12-11, 08:21
- Kick all the women back out. - NDTerp, 2016-12-11, 08:26
- Tongue was in cheek. Things are tense here. -
Mobster,
2016-12-11, 08:24
- That's not a tradition -
NDTerp,
2016-12-11, 08:17
- SYRs in the dorms - NDTerp, 2016-12-11, 08:11
- Fullbacks -
Rob (Rakes of Mallow),
2016-12-11, 08:05
- And snaps under center. - Bill, 2016-12-11, 08:07
- Field turf, jumbotron, Crossroads, team mass, jock music - Bill, 2016-12-11, 08:03
- Winning -
Mobster,
2016-12-11, 08:12
- Just a touch dramatic - Jim (fisherj08), 2016-12-11, 07:46
- Still too opaque in intention. -
PMan,
2016-12-11, 08:16
- Within. -
Mobster,
2016-12-11, 07:44
- Taunting? -
Bill,
2016-12-11, 07:38
- There was just no upside to address it.... -
Mobster,
2016-12-11, 07:47
- His reaction was just fine. -
Bill,
2016-12-11, 07:51
- Agree to disagree I suppose... -
Mobster,
2016-12-11, 07:58
- it was the perfect thing to say in that setting -
Jay,
2016-12-11, 08:03
- As I said, agree to disagree - Mobster, 2016-12-11, 08:13
- So you don't think any of the players have talked about - Bill, 2016-12-11, 08:01
- it was the perfect thing to say in that setting -
Jay,
2016-12-11, 08:03
- I think internally it does -
Mike (bart),
2016-12-11, 07:56
- Swarbrick addressed that group -
Jim (fisherj08),
2016-12-11, 07:57
- I agree - Mike (bart), 2016-12-11, 08:00
- Swarbrick addressed that group -
Jim (fisherj08),
2016-12-11, 07:57
- Agree to disagree I suppose... -
Mobster,
2016-12-11, 07:58
- As I said below. You do when addressing a Pro ND crowd. - River, 2016-12-11, 07:50
- His reaction was just fine. -
Bill,
2016-12-11, 07:51
- There was just no upside to address it.... -
Mobster,
2016-12-11, 07:47
- Pete Sampson is a douche of the highest order -
Savage,
2016-12-11, 07:38
- Calling Pete Sampson -
PMan,
2016-12-11, 09:55
- Pretty sure I didn't do either of the latter? - Savage, 2016-12-11, 13:45
- is part of the movement also -
Jay,
2016-12-11, 07:52
- Absolutely it is. - NDTerp, 2016-12-11, 08:11
- No -
Savage,
2016-12-11, 08:03
- I saw his seat number comment the other day -
Jay,
2016-12-11, 08:06
- That was exactly the point he was trying to make - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2016-12-11, 10:42
- I think that is a bit of the problem. - River, 2016-12-11, 08:12
- I saw his seat number comment the other day -
Jay,
2016-12-11, 08:06
- His main point hasn't been that it's a lousy idea -
Rob (Rakes of Mallow),
2016-12-11, 07:56
- True, but having that anonymity is perfect cover. - River, 2016-12-11, 08:15
- Exactly. - Savage, 2016-12-11, 08:11
- it's about more than Pete - Jay, 2016-12-11, 08:08
- how else will people know you Really Care? - CW (Rakes), 2016-12-11, 07:53
- Yes. - Jim (fisherj08), 2016-12-11, 07:53
- I don't think saying "this ad campaign is not a good idea" -
Jim (fisherj08),
2016-12-11, 07:45
- Agree but he is asking for those involved to share... -
Mobster,
2016-12-11, 07:49
- But that informaiton is publicly available for political ads -
Jim (fisherj08),
2016-12-11, 07:50
- The information isn't posted in the ad itself -
Mobster,
2016-12-11, 07:53
- Also, this isn't politics! - Jim (fisherj08), 2016-12-11, 08:20
- Why do you care what Pete Sampson has to say? -
Bill,
2016-12-11, 07:57
- I'm not keeping an enemies list or whatever... - Mobster, 2016-12-11, 08:04
- Reading between the lines, -
Jim (fisherj08),
2016-12-11, 07:58
- Prister and Sampson have both said a coaching change - Bill, 2016-12-11, 08:02
- But it's still publicly available - Jim (fisherj08), 2016-12-11, 07:55
- The information isn't posted in the ad itself -
Mobster,
2016-12-11, 07:53
- But that informaiton is publicly available for political ads -
Jim (fisherj08),
2016-12-11, 07:50
- Agree but he is asking for those involved to share... -
Mobster,
2016-12-11, 07:49
- I think the SBT ad is fine in terms of attributions. -
Bill,
2016-12-11, 07:39
- The first one she did was given the go ahead with no check. -
River,
2016-12-11, 07:44
- He was in front of the football team and recruits -
Jim (fisherj08),
2016-12-11, 07:48
- And well he should. - River, 2016-12-11, 07:52
- He was in front of the football team and recruits -
Jim (fisherj08),
2016-12-11, 07:48
- The first one she did was given the go ahead with no check. -
River,
2016-12-11, 07:44
- Calling Pete Sampson -
PMan,
2016-12-11, 09:55
- It's better. It's like someone read this board for - BillyGoat, 2016-12-11, 07:29