Removes us from our current predicament
Kelly is failing but retains some worthwhile arguments in favor of his retention. As Kevin and TC pointed out, if we keep him after this year and he goes back to 8-5, doesn't he then become more difficult to fire?
A decent blank slate coach carries (imo) at least as much upside chance of catching lightning in a bottle (to be clear, I think this chance is in gross terms very small), and it gives us a free hand moving forward
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- Who do you want? -
Kevin,
2016-11-05, 11:45
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- I think we should quit football. - KGB, 2016-11-06, 09:03
- Theo needs a challenge
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JN,
2016-11-05, 21:46
- A non CEO head coach. - Chris, 2016-11-05, 14:05
- We have to hire a monster -
HumanRobot,
2016-11-05, 13:24
- Petrino -
Grantland,
2016-11-07, 06:26
- Hard pass -
Jim (fisherj08),
2016-11-07, 06:31
- I had the same reaction a couple of weeks ago. - Grantland, 2016-11-07, 06:42
- he is a monster, though -
Mike (bart),
2016-11-07, 06:34
- Hard pass
- We're losing the "kick the can" luxury, i think -
Mike (bart),
2016-11-05, 16:24
- I guess -
HumanRobot,
2016-11-05, 17:40
- Removes us from our current predicament -
Mike (bart),
2016-11-05, 17:55
- I don't get this nihilism -
HullieAndMikes,
2016-11-05, 19:33
- Don't think it's nihilism. And what's wrong with what you -
Turtlecrack,
2016-11-05, 19:42
- I think it's cavalier to become a revolving door -
HullieAndMikes,
2016-11-05, 19:52
- Maybe I'm way off on this - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2016-11-05, 19:59
- When Kelly was hired what ND needed was stability - Mike (bart), 2016-11-05, 19:57
- It has been 7 years, we've probably passed "revolving door" -
mkmcfrlnd,
2016-11-05, 19:56
- You guys misread me -
HullieAndMikes,
2016-11-06, 02:44
- Who do we want coaching against Harbaugh? -
HumanRobot,
2016-11-06, 11:47
- I have no idea - HullieAndMikes, 2016-11-06, 11:54
- a quick yank - Turtlecrack, 2016-11-06, 04:27
- Who do we want coaching against Harbaugh?
- You guys misread me -
HullieAndMikes,
2016-11-06, 02:44
- I think it's cavalier to become a revolving door -
HullieAndMikes,
2016-11-05, 19:52
- Don't think it's nihilism. And what's wrong with what you -
Turtlecrack,
2016-11-05, 19:42
- I don't get this nihilism -
HullieAndMikes,
2016-11-05, 19:33
- Removes us from our current predicament -
Mike (bart),
2016-11-05, 17:55
- That's why I'm no longer on board with - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2016-11-05, 16:59
- Exactly. I think we collectivelyfeel like if we make a move - Turtlecrack, 2016-11-05, 16:48
- I guess -
HumanRobot,
2016-11-05, 17:40
- I think we have to start from the premise... - BPH, 2016-11-05, 14:11
- Petrino
- I don't think there's a clear-cut candidate. -
Bill,
2016-11-05, 13:13
- There's not - JRT, 2016-11-07, 07:37
- There may be some uncertainty about the replacement -
Kevin,
2016-11-05, 14:11
- I suppose if your standard is no more hires till you have -
Turtlecrack,
2016-11-05, 14:39
- You both bring up good points - Mike (bart), 2016-11-05, 16:18
- I suppose if your standard is no more hires till you have -
Turtlecrack,
2016-11-05, 14:39
- BK for 2017. Less than 10-3, then I want Peterson. -
MHB (Rakes of Mallow),
2016-11-05, 12:27
- Why? -
Kevin,
2016-11-05, 12:40
- Don't think we can get a replacement this winter -
MHB (Rakes of Mallow),
2016-11-05, 12:48
- If this offense were humming along... -
BPH,
2016-11-05, 13:18
- ND had the #6 OFEI in 2015 -
MHB (Rakes of Mallow),
2016-11-05, 13:29
- In fairness -
BPH,
2016-11-05, 13:34
- Save 2016, his defenses as a HC have been bad -
MHB (Rakes of Mallow),
2016-11-05, 13:45
- You are ignoring some important stats... -
Mobster,
2016-11-05, 14:35
- I'm not ignoring any of those things (edited re UC) -
MHB (Rakes of Mallow),
2016-11-05, 15:30
- He very well could be another BK... -
Mobster,
2016-11-05, 15:40
- POO re: "could be another Kelly" - Mike (bart), 2016-11-05, 16:28
- I need a Yes/Yes in your two questions to make a move -
MHB (Rakes of Mallow),
2016-11-05, 15:54
- Last year was nothing special. -
Kevin,
2016-11-06, 07:41
- We lost to every good team we played. -
KGB,
2016-11-06, 09:08
- You guys are nuts - MHB (Rakes of Mallow), 2016-11-06, 10:19
- We lost to every good team we played. -
KGB,
2016-11-06, 09:08
- I'm going to start banging a drum.. - mkmcfrlnd, 2016-11-05, 16:17
- Last year was nothing special. -
Kevin,
2016-11-06, 07:41
- He very well could be another BK... -
Mobster,
2016-11-05, 15:40
- I'm not ignoring any of those things (edited re UC) -
MHB (Rakes of Mallow),
2016-11-05, 15:30
- Pretty sure he produced historically good defenses at Duke -
BPH,
2016-11-05, 13:59
- His turnarounds look a bit like BK's -
MHB (Rakes of Mallow),
2016-11-05, 15:35
- I'm not sure he's an upgrade either - BPH, 2016-11-05, 16:40
- His turnarounds look a bit like BK's -
MHB (Rakes of Mallow),
2016-11-05, 15:35
- You are ignoring some important stats... -
Mobster,
2016-11-05, 14:35
- Save 2016, his defenses as a HC have been bad -
MHB (Rakes of Mallow),
2016-11-05, 13:45
- In fairness -
BPH,
2016-11-05, 13:34
- ND had the #6 OFEI in 2015 -
MHB (Rakes of Mallow),
2016-11-05, 13:29
- If this offense were humming along... -
BPH,
2016-11-05, 13:18
- Don't think we can get a replacement this winter -
MHB (Rakes of Mallow),
2016-11-05, 12:48
- Why?
- Someone who can count to eleven -
HCE,
2016-11-05, 12:01
- We've got another year of the smartest guy in the world... -
MTIrish,
2016-11-05, 11:59
- What happened on that penalty? -
Mike (bart),
2016-11-05, 12:03
- Could not get the 12th guy off... -
MTIrish,
2016-11-05, 12:07
- Not that it matters now but the ACC - PMan, 2016-11-05, 14:39
- Could not get the 12th guy off... -
MTIrish,
2016-11-05, 12:07
- What happened on that penalty? -
Mike (bart),
2016-11-05, 12:03
- Is this enough for Nd to fire him? -
Turtlecrack,
2016-11-05, 11:55
- I'm okay with giving him another year. -
Slainte Joe,
2016-11-05, 12:07
- 3-7 in the last 10 games. -
PMan,
2016-11-05, 19:04
- 14-13 in last 27 - Jeremy (WeIsND), 2016-11-05, 19:09
- Ditto -
Mark,
2016-11-05, 15:51
- Are you enjoying this season? - OGerry, 2016-11-05, 17:36
- Me too -
OGerry,
2016-11-05, 12:50
- I simply don't understand this. -
Bingo,
2016-11-05, 14:58
- The football program is our crown jewel... -
Mobster,
2016-11-05, 15:27
- Exactly. -
OGerry,
2016-11-05, 17:35
- Irrefutable logic? -
Eric M,
2016-11-05, 18:20
- Stone cold lock. Hermetically sealed...erm...hermit. - OGerry, 2016-11-06, 10:30
- Why is ND more likely to make a good hire next year? -
Rob,
2016-11-05, 19:19
- Hmmm -
Eric M,
2016-11-05, 19:45
- Uhh 5 and 6 are signs that JS isn't prepared... -
Mobster,
2016-11-05, 20:36
- You must not understand -
Eric M,
2016-11-05, 21:14
- You can't have it both ways... -
Mobster,
2016-11-05, 22:12
- Notice - Eric M, 2016-11-05, 22:45
- You can't have it both ways... -
Mobster,
2016-11-05, 22:12
- You must not understand -
Eric M,
2016-11-05, 21:14
- Uhh 5 and 6 are signs that JS isn't prepared... -
Mobster,
2016-11-05, 20:36
- Hmmm -
Eric M,
2016-11-05, 19:45
- It isn't about scoring "magical bonus points"... -
Mobster,
2016-11-05, 18:43
- Or a heart attack or a lightning bolt or Bruno beat the - Turtlecrack, 2016-11-05, 19:16
- Who said Jack isn't prepared? -
Eric M,
2016-11-05, 19:15
- If he is prepared, why would he not make a move? -
Mobster,
2016-11-05, 19:24
- Maybe the negotiations are just starting -
Turtlecrack,
2016-11-05, 19:27
- Maybe the negotiations are just starting
- If he is prepared, why would he not make a move? -
Mobster,
2016-11-05, 19:24
- The problem regarding questions 1 and 2, though -
Mike (bart),
2016-11-05, 18:27
- Right. If he knows he is gone, isn't that going to fester - Turtlecrack, 2016-11-05, 18:32
- That was very good and very on point. -
Turtlecrack,
2016-11-05, 18:09
- Irrefutable logic? -
Eric M,
2016-11-05, 18:20
- Exactly. -
OGerry,
2016-11-05, 17:35
- The football program is our crown jewel... -
Mobster,
2016-11-05, 15:27
- I simply don't understand this. -
Bingo,
2016-11-05, 14:58
- I can understand why that's the case -
Turtlecrack,
2016-11-05, 12:12
- It's been a shitty 25 years. -
Slainte Joe,
2016-11-05, 12:44
- I agree - Greg, 2016-11-06, 15:25
- It's been a shitty 25 years. -
Slainte Joe,
2016-11-05, 12:44
- 3-7 in the last 10 games. -
PMan,
2016-11-05, 19:04
- And if yes, any reason to wait on firing? -
Turtlecrack,
2016-11-05, 12:02
- You dont need Urban Meyer to beat 3-6 -
Mike (bart),
2016-11-05, 11:57
- I don't need, I want! It's my turn to get lucky timin like - Turtlecrack, 2016-11-05, 11:59
- I'm okay with giving him another year. -
Slainte Joe,
2016-11-05, 12:07
- The rest of the bandaid was just ripped off. -
Pat,
2016-11-05, 11:52
- An AD willing to cancel the Navy series for a while. - PMan, 2016-11-05, 11:50
- Everyone except Kelly knew it was over when he kicked the fg -
suave_andrew,
2016-11-05, 11:50
- It would have been over even if we scored a TD. - ReginaldVelJohnson, 2016-11-05, 11:59
- Very open minded - Mike (bart), 2016-11-05, 11:50
- Anyone. Literally anyone different. -
Jeremy (WeIsND),
2016-11-05, 11:49
- The disheartening thing is that he probably wasn't -
BPH,
2016-11-05, 12:26
- The disheartening thing is that he probably wasn't
- If we're taking a flier, I'm sold on MacIntyre. -
Tim,
2016-11-05, 11:48
- The revenue generated by 3 National Championships.. - mkmcfrlnd, 2016-11-05, 15:45
- Seconded -
BPH,
2016-11-05, 12:26